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  • 01-20-2017, 02:07 PM
    bait4snake
    Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
    I was able to pick up a 0.1 Fire Spinner and am now in search of a 1.0 fire pinstripe as a mate. Has anyone been working with super fires crossed with pinstripes and/or spiders to reduce the spots for a cleaner white black eyed leucistic line?

    I've seen one pic of a spider super fire that looked pretty clean. And I've seen the pinstripe latte BEL (super mocha) clean up the pattern of the latte BEL. And of course the white wedding (spied)...

    Anyway, just curious if anyone has been tinkering with this.
  • 01-20-2017, 02:20 PM
    Meerna
    I haven't yet, but I have my 0.1 Fire and once I get my racks in a couple months I'll be searching for a mate as well and starting my breeding project with them in a couple years. I hope you get an answer from someone that has played around with this, I could use the info as well ^_^
  • 01-20-2017, 02:48 PM
    asplundii
    Given the tendency for Pin to act as a pattern retainer I would be inclined to think that a SuperFire Pin will display high orange

    Flip side, the Spider tendency to imbalance pigment could help promote a high white super

    From what I have seen, Pastel seems to result in higher white supers. And I suspect that Cinny/BlkPastel will make higher white supers. Additoinally, this past season I hatched out 1.1 BlkELs from FireFly x BellyFly, one is pure white and the other has a singe, lentil-sized pale yellow patch. Without breeding them out I cannot say what genes each is carrying but it is possible that one or both have YB so it is possible that YB will also act to promote high-white BlkELs
  • 01-20-2017, 03:33 PM
    Trisnake
    It would definitely be interesting to see what pin does to the super fire. Pastel definitely consistently makes cleaner higher white black eyed lucy's, but that's all I know for sure. I don't think anyone has suggested lesser/butter but I would imagine it would increase white as well.
  • 01-20-2017, 03:40 PM
    bait4snake
    Hmm... maybe a male firefly or superfly is in order 😎
  • 01-20-2017, 04:14 PM
    Meerna
    http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...-pythons/45704

    Found a couple great Fireflys on Morph Market. Wish I had the money right now to snatch one up, hopefully I can find one like it in a month or two.
  • 01-20-2017, 05:10 PM
    bait4snake
    Yeah, I'll be checking them out.

    Right now I have a 1.0 Pastel Lesser and 0.1 Pastel Butter, hopefully I'll get some bright white BEL out of those. I also have a 0.1 Mojave Spider for him too. I'm excited to see what kinds of white snakes I'll be getting.
  • 01-20-2017, 05:42 PM
    PitOnTheProwl
    Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bait4snake View Post
    Yeah, I'll be checking them out.

    Right now I have a 1.0 Pastel Lesser and 0.1 Pastel Butter, hopefully I'll get some bright white BEL out of those.


    The only problem I see here is not knowing what is what in the outcome. I mean if you get a BEL then you know it is Butter and Lesser but if you get anything else you might have problems at the time of sale. Some people don't care but others will want to know for sure if its a Butter or Lesser gene.
  • 01-20-2017, 07:56 PM
    bait4snake
    Not sure if the same could work with a super fire, but here's a super mocha bel with pinstripe.

    http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...-pythons/27815
  • 01-21-2017, 01:10 AM
    Ballpythonguy92
    Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
    Nice pick ups I'm currently going to pick up a female het Russo :) on Sunday from Henry p

    retro gaming pokemon for gbc/gba p.s. I've never played go nor shall i !!!!!
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