How long to wait to breed after first breeding?

Im talking to a breeder who has a snake available that laid this year and she gained all her weight back. Is there a set time after she lays to breed again or now that she gained her weight back she can breed again?

Anyone?

Everyone does it differently but personally I like for my females to have rain all their weight back + some and have six months between egg laying and pairing.

Now a few things about buying adults and of proven breeders, they will often go off feed for you upon arrival, that's pretty common, personally a new female that does not eat will not be paired until the following season.

There is also the matter of quarentine, even if the female eat, she will be quarantined for 90 days before being paired to any of my animals.

Consider this:

"The fact is that males will breed females in the wild regardless of their size, weight, age, etc. There is no harm in this, its doesn’t hurt the female at all. Her body knows if the timing is right and whether she can healthfully produce eggs. Thousands of years of self preservation instinct is way more reliable than your or my opinion on the topic. When hobbyists argue how young you can breed a female, they lack the knowledge that a female will likely bred nearly every year of their life in the wild. Pythons are not like mammals where an egg is released / fertilized (internally involuntary). A BP female’s body has to actively develop follicles for up to months prior to ovulation. The body can reverse this process at any time prior to ovulation with no harm. If a female begins to absorb her follicles, there is nothing that I as a breeder can do to change that."

https://jkrballstreetjournal.com/201...e-ball-python/

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Originally Posted by Macropodus

Consider this:

"The fact is that males will breed females in the wild regardless of their size, weight, age, etc. There is no harm in this, its doesn’t hurt the female at all. Her body knows if the timing is right and whether she can healthfully produce eggs. Thousands of years of self preservation instinct is way more reliable than your or my opinion on the topic. When hobbyists argue how young you can breed a female, they lack the knowledge that a female will likely bred nearly every year of their life in the wild. Pythons are not like mammals where an egg is released / fertilized (internally involuntary). A BP female’s body has to actively develop follicles for up to months prior to ovulation. The body can reverse this process at any time prior to ovulation with no harm. If a female begins to absorb her follicles, there is nothing that I as a breeder can do to change that."

https://jkrballstreetjournal.com/201...e-ball-python/

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I know that article, and I know Justin personally, I think the difference between you and me is how I interpret that article based on my experience and not what I want to hear to justify what I want to do.

While I agree with this article this is also where COMMON SENSE and EXPERIENCE comes into play, I have no idea what YOUR experience is with breeding.

Sadly because it’s done in the wild or can be done does not mean it should be done in captivity or that it is it the best. In captivity with have an obligation toward those animals to give them OPTIMUM living and breeding conditions, that’s why we have quarantine, why people use an incubator, that’s why people pay attention to signs when pairing so they don’t over breed their animals (which can kill them), that’s why some people cut their eggs, that’s why people feed their animals the way they do. That’s why those animals live longer in captivity.

Without the common sense and experience you end up with people in a rush to breed a 800 grams female that’s a year old (because after all it’s done in the wild) sadly that does not benefit the animal that benefits the owners (well so they think because all they care about is a quick return on their money). Without common sense and experience you get people who buy a proven breeder bypass quarantine to pair that female immediately and end up losing their entire collection (after all no quarantine in the wild). I can tell you no REPUTABLE breeder would do either of those things.

You can ask any respectable breeder they will all tell you that they like their female to grow slow and with consistency, to be mature and big as possible before their first pairing, they also like for them to bounce back before pairing them again for a new season and will even refuse to breed them if they have not. Now there are female being bred small but again that’s based on experience and circumstances. (off topic)

Again big difference between what can be done because it happens in the wild and what should be done in captivity.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

... the difference between you and me is how I interpret that article based on my experience and not what I want to hear to justify what I want to do...

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Are you confusing me with the OP? I don't have an agenda here, I'm not justifying anything. It's an article I had read which happens to be in similar vein to the OP's concern. If you don't like it then don't read it.

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Originally Posted by Macropodus

Are you confusing me with the OP? I don't have an agenda here, I'm not justifying anything. It's an article I had read which happens to be in similar vein to the OP's concern. If you don't like it then don't read it.

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If that's all you got from what I wrote than OK :rolleyes:

Let me try again it's an article (YOU posted) that needs to be taken with a grain of salt and interpreted, regurgitating what you read is fine being able to understand and use common sense and elaborate based on experience is a bit different.

What I got from you wrote is that you are insecure in regards to view points which are not precisely aligned with your own. That's what I got. Particularly your usage of caps with "COMMON SENSE and EXPERIENCE and YOU" which is considered yelling. Even members who are not moderators know this.

Not all breeders out there espouse Deborah's views. If you find that unsettling then please consider skipping over future posts of mine as I will not vet links prior to pasting them in order to ensure your safe space remains unviolated. I'm not your yes man. Feel free to ban me now if you find this unacceptable.

I love posts and replies like this because it shows that no matter how much info is out there and how many questions you ask its still going to come down to your personal experience and finding the best method for you lol. It makes me excited to start my breeding experience, reading my snakes and finding what works. Deborah i think your spot on tho in that as these animals are in captivity and in our care we need to focus on putting them in the optimal conditions possible for success not just simply whatever gets the job done.

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Breeder said she laid in late may and is now back up to size. Im not one of those people that is in it for the money and am not in a rush at all, just wanted to know if she'd be ready for this coming season.