Opinion: Do you find breeding spiders unethical?

It's a beautiful morph, but there's always the problem with the spider wobble. Curious about both sides of the debate and want to know what you guys think. Thanks!

I, well my daughter, has spider in her breeding plans. Yeah, they wobble, some worse than others, but my daughter actually likes how they wobble. Her biggest girl, just weighed in at 1921 grams will hold on tight with her head against her and she won't wobble then. As soon as her head is off she will, kinda interesting to watch. I like them with all their issues.

Recently there was a thread here that had a somewhat in-depth discussion about this topic.
It's a very interesting read and it might answer some of the questions you may have regarding the ethical issues, snake quality of life, breeding out the issue, among many other topics.

"Why the heck do people keep breeding spider morphs?"

I think it gives them character, I only have one carrying spider (killerblast) and he's the snake that I'll let friends afraid of snakes hold, he's an ambassador of sorts, 100% sweetie and my wife things his wob is pretty cute. Not to mention he's among the most aggressive eaters I've ever seen. I feed him in blue even (ft)


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Originally Posted by dmt_jovi

Recently there was a thread here that had a somewhat in-depth discussion about this topic.
It's a very interesting read and it might answer some of the questions you may have regarding the ethical issues, snake quality of life, breeding out the issue, among many other topics.

"Why the heck do people keep breeding spider morphs?"

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Best to just look through that thread...

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Originally Posted by dmt_jovi

Recently there was a thread here that had a somewhat in-depth discussion about this topic.
It's a very interesting read and it might answer some of the questions you may have regarding the ethical issues, snake quality of life, breeding out the issue, among many other topics.


"Why the heck do people keep breeding spider morphs?"

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Thank you for this useful thread!

I find breeding bulldogs unethical. Their lack of genetic diversity and myriad of health problems affecting their quality of life makes me shake my head.

A wobbly snake? Not so much. From what I've learned from people that keep them, even pretty wobbly spider morphs are generally chunky and healthy and good eaters.

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Originally Posted by Wolfchan

I find breeding bulldogs unethical. Their lack of genetic diversity and myriad of health problems affecting their quality of life makes me shake my head.

A wobbly snake? Not so much. From what I've learned from people that keep them, even pretty wobbly spider morphs are generally chunky and healthy and good eaters.

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Right? If we want to rant over health issues in artificial breeding of some animal, we should be looking at pugs and certain lines of English and French Bulldogs, or even King Charles Spaniels (they may not look it, but this breed is just loaded with various health issues... even very reputable breeder dogs). English and french bulldogs literally can't even breathe properly if exercised more intensely. Many require eyedrops their entire lives, due to their bulging eyes causing issues down the line, starting from their puppy year. In some dogs, their flat face wrinkles actually scratch their eyeballs throughout their lives. Same issue goes for many pekingese.

There's no reason not to discuss spider morphs either, because discussion and opinions are good, but I just see it as such a non-issue in comparison. If we are to convince everyone to stop breeding spider morphs, we need to get on that english and french bulldog deal too! LOL

In m opinion it's completely unethical to breed a morph you KNOW will have neurological issues, whether those be slight or severe by random chance. The animals life quality should be put over the want to breed a certain morph, for whatever reason that may be.

Reasoning such as "it's pretty", "it sells", "feeds well (provided the wobble allows them to feed at all)" etc are not valid enough to me, and the same counts not only for spiders but every morph which has health issues.

Apparently an unpopular opinion around here, but I strongly don't support it

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Originally Posted by Morjean

The animals life quality should be put over the want to breed a certain morph, for whatever reason that may be.

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Most of us don't see the animals quality of life being effected.

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Originally Posted by Morjean

Reasoning such as "it's pretty", "it sells", "feeds well (provided the wobble allows them to feed at all)" etc are not valid enough to me, and the same counts not only for spiders but every morph which has health issues.

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Given how many people in the other thread thought culling spiders is something people do, I have to say something here.

Even if I was to blindly believe the cases of non eating spiders, that accounts for a small fraction of a percentage. I bet significantly more animals pass due to keeper inexperience than anything to do with near mythical non eating spiders.

The only first hand account of a non eating spider I could find was from an inexperienced breeder. Some how breeders can produce thousands of spiders without any eating issues but this guy's first clutch is the one that has the mythical non eater? You can guess what I think is to blame.

Just something to think about when you spread rumors like that.