Panda Pied...thinking out loud

So I was playing around on the WoB genetic calculator (seriously the amount of time I spend on that app is ridiculous) and found out that it would be possible, several years from now, for me to get some Panda Pieds (favorite morph!) I'd have to wait awhile since Suki my pied is less than a year old, and then there's the fact that I have to get my hands on a pair of black pastels, but the prospect is an exciting one!

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I'd say if your intent is to breed, then any kind of pied project is a good one! I LOVE just about any pied I have seen, and would have gotten one when I first got my snake - but they are all still out of my price range

Just be aware of the inherent risks of breeding for this. A Panda Pied is still a Super Black Pastel and runs the same risks.

Dave

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Originally Posted by AKA Dave

Just be aware of the inherent risks of breeding for this. A Panda Pied is still a Super Black Pastel and runs the same risks.

Dave

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^ this.

it's why a Panda Pied is a rare, $10,000 snake. the deformities common in the super form of the Black Pastel and Cinnamons turn-off alotta folks. adding a recessive gene (the Piebald), makes the odds of having a flawless Super Black Pastel or Cinnamon Pied even harder. i see alotta Black Pastel and Cinnamon het Pieds, some visual Pieds, not alotta of their Supers, and never any Pandas.

we are not saying u should not try for a Panda. just know, be prepared and have a plan for babies with deformities as a byproduct.

i myself might still try for it. i teeter on the should i or should i not regularly on this plan. so well see...


Edit: also to add, i hear that Justin Kobylka is cooking up some Suma Pieds - which is believed to be all white with black patterning. it is supposed to be a kink free Panda. so adding a Mahogany or its super form - Suma, might be a better breeding route and investment.

Pandas are high on my want list, but not wanting to do super black pastels/super cinnamon because the deformities. I don't want to wrestle with those ethics.

I still plan on pursuing the project. I like kobylka's project. I think the super mahogonies show promise. The pics I have seen of them, they do show a lot of bronze poking through the black though. I was thinking a black axanthic, super mahogony, pied would give the desired look...

Meh. That's a future me problem though. Right now my focus is acquiring a plain old pied male to go with the het pied girl I picked up.

Wanted to add:

I think markus jayne is working on an alternative panda. Super java pied. A bit of bronze poking through...

It's around the 9 minute mark of this snakebytes video
https://youtu.be/PmyWvLSQqqQ

I've wanted a panda pied since I saw the first one!

Would there be a way to make a panda pied looking snake using the axanthic gene? I've seen the lightning pieds, which are pretty cool looking, but was thinking there might be a another way using piebald, axanthic and maybe a third gene to come up with a similar effect? I've also always wanted a panda pied, but have decided to go another direction

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I've wanted a panda pied since I saw the first one!

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same here, i remember thinking that was one of the sickest snakes that I've ever seen. which actually it is.:snake:

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Originally Posted by lawnchaircrisis

Would there be a way to make a panda pied looking snake using the axanthic gene? I've seen the lightning pieds, which are pretty cool looking, but was thinking there might be a another way using piebald, axanthic and maybe a third gene to come up with a similar effect? I've also always wanted a panda pied, but have decided to go another direction

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i don't know of any gene that would blackout a VPI or SK Axanthic. it makes browns black and grey scales other colors. i guess adding Axanthic Super Black Pastel or Super Cinny would work. :P maybe a really dark Black Axanthic would work - but that's a whole different line and would not be compatible with VPI or SK stuff.

also keep in mind an Axanthic Pied would be a double recessive – a double recessive Panda will be an entirely different ball game and I would imagine hitting the odds are even smaller.

i really think the name panda suits this morph well. beyond it's visual appearance, it really is rare.