Scaleless

Ok, so I am thinking about taking the plunge. Scaleless.... Next season is going to be my largest yet. I've doubled my breeding age females. My projects have pretty much surrounded the production of RELs. I should be producing them next season. I am trying to decide if chasing scaleless is worth it. Is anyone here working the gene yet? I have found very little information on the super. I think I may have seen three pictures and at least one of those animals is dead. Before I start pestering larger breeders that I know have the hets does anyone here have any more information or have an estimation as to how solid an investment like that would be? It could be the banana thing all over again.

bamp. b/c i would like to see more discussion on this.


i saw my first Scaleless Head last weekend. :) i think they're really cool but me, i will wait a long time if I decide to get one. i saw a bunch on Morphmarket awhile back and don’t see them listed anymore. i guess peeps are still scooping them up for really hefty prices tho. that said, i’m not sure how much a Super Scaleless would go for. but i expect a few Supers to hit the market this fall and quite a bit more next summer.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

bamp. b/c i would like to see more discussion on this.

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LOL. I would like to see any discussion on this. It is very quiet. Either no one knows of they are not talking. If I don't hear anything I'm going to try to talk to some of the people with stock. If it is still quiet I will stay as far away from this one as possible. It is a shame. Imagine a Lavender REL with no scales. A whole new level of worm.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

bamp. b/c i would like to see more discussion on this.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

LOL. I would like to see any discussion on this. It is very quiet. Either no one knows of they are not talking. If I don't hear anything I'm going to try to talk to some of the people with stock. If it is still quiet I will stay as far away from this one as possible. It is a shame. Imagine a Lavender REL with no scales. A whole new level of worm.

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no u are think big. Really Big! that would be what - a double Super and recessive?! i can't wait to see the day. :)

TBH some peeps are turned off by the whole scaleless thing. the one BHB kept and is currently breeding has missing heat pits and i think some are creeped out by it lol.

i think it's different and really cool, but my current plans are headed elsewhere for the high end stuff.

I think people are waiting to see more scaleless animals (supers) after all the rumors regarding the ones BHB hatched. Secrecy never helps either.

I know Winston Smith posted a photo a couple weeks back of a scaleless head female that just had her post ovulation shed. I also heard Florida Reptile Ranch had a female that was building nicely. I'm sure there are others out there as well that may produce this year. We should see some this fall.

It will be the banana thing all over again. Co-Dom is co-dom. 3 years ago I saw scaleless head offered at 50k. Now they're 5k.

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Originally Posted by DennisM

It will be the banana thing all over again. Co-Dom is co-dom. 3 years ago I saw scaleless head offered at 50k. Now they're 5k.

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The banana was unique because of the male makers. It was so easy to produce males and breed them to multiple females, the market got flooded with males pretty quickly. I think the scaleless heads price fall has more to do with the concern over the fully scaleless animals. The rumors were flying and the price fell. I think if the original scaleless animals thrived and we could see them in photos and videos the price wouldn't be where it is now.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

no u are think big. Really Big! that would be what - a double Super and recessive?! i can't wait to see the day. :)

TBH some peeps are turned off by the whole scaleless thing. the one BHB kept and is currently breeding has missing heat pits and i think some are creeped out by it lol.

i think it's different and really cool, but my current plans are headed elsewhere for the high end stuff.

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I think the saying goes something like "go big or go home". In my case it would be a double super, recessive, + maybe spider. A BEL i am working with has spider and so does one of my lavenders. Realistically speaking it is going to take awhile but we all have to have goals. The numbers gods may not have blessed me as much as I would like this season. An albino girl i was counting on may have reabsorbed. Really need an ultrasound.

I can understand why some would be turned off. It is, I hesitate to say, "unnatural". That in itself does not bother me, but unhealthy does. I'm going to keep looking for data. Until I get some the money is staying in my pocket.

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Originally Posted by DennisM

It will be the banana thing all over again. Co-Dom is co-dom. 3 years ago I saw scaleless head offered at 50k. Now they're 5k.

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Yeah, I saw one at <4k today.

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

I think the scaleless heads price fall has more to do with the concern over the fully scaleless animals. The rumors were flying and the price fell. I think if the original scaleless animals thrived and we could see them in photos and videos the price wouldn't be where it is now.

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As a businessman this is what concerns me the most. Maybe I'm wrong but something doesn't smell right. I can't see the reason they would allow the prices on the hetero's to drop this quick when all they would have to do is publicize the successes to hold the price up.

It is a shame. I really wanted to invest in something other than my REL project this year.