Is it me??

Or are there more people than usual getting out of breeding?
Sometimes it reminds me or makes me feel like the kid late to the baseball game.
Just venting really.....

Don't know what the hard figures are - or even how someone might get an idea (maybe data from classifides?)
The economy might have something to do with it.

It seems like that. I've seen a lot of people selling off their collections. Even hatchlings are dropping in price.

I missed on a super mojave male hatchling for 200 plus 50 for shipping.

It's nothing new and usually those are the no name that though they would make some quick cash fast......does not really work that way especially since usually those people don't even have a plan.

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I think Deb hit the nail on the head. We're seeing an outflux of breeders now because we saw a huge influx of breeders earlier when morphs started popping up like mad and commanding high dollars. A bunch of people jumped in without looking and are now regretting it. I feel this is probably a good thing for the future of the hobby. Prices and quality should both stabilize after the glut of money seekers siphons off and leaves the people who are just really dedicated and passionate about the animals.

Several I'm my area that have been in it a while (over a decade) are clearing out their collections.

Isn't this just like anything? Unless you have an actual individual product (say Apple brand as an example) then the market eventually runs out...

Imagine making £10,000 a month... Then a influx in the market means making £3000 a month, but your expecting £10,000 so have all the equipment for £10,000 - you will be making a loss.

As its easy to see the markets crowded, people are upping and moving on fast. Make a quick buck on what they have and then not need to worry about. For me breeding should be a hobby. (personal feeling) because you love the snakes and it would be cool to make something else new!

From my little view of things, having only been at this oh, less then 3 years, seems to be a lot of what deb said and a little of what Pitt said, maybe more. I've seen a lot of small collections getting sold, and I know one guy who's been in for like over ten years who is selling his collection. And he makes his living breeding. He's not getting out of breeding all together, but is getting out of balls. It's market saturation, so many breeding, and so many shows with nothing but balls on the tables, with the odd colubrid or lizard. Plus with literally thousands of morphs and combos, I think a lot are getting the "its just another ball" attitude no matter what it looks like. Now I'm not planning on getting out, but this is kind of what over been seeing.

By me there is a ton of over saturation. The last expo I went to had morphs well, meh morphs. Granted, the best specimens were bought and sold before the door opened to other vendors, that's a given. But what was left were all the same few morphs. I think I saw one tokay gecko, a few dart frogs, and a table or two of corns.

Where are are the other species? Everyone is selling balls, and having to drop prices down and down until you might as well be in wonderland. That's why imo people who don't love the balls and love the breeding drop out.

I got quite a few reptiles from people jumping ship.