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  • 11-10-2015, 02:32 PM
    Ghost68
    Blue Eyed Lucys
    I have a question. It may be dumb because im not even sure if the genetics are possible, but what would be the odds for blue eyed lucys if you bred a Mojave 100%het for lesser platinum and lesser platinum 100% het for Mojave? Do those het combos even exist? Thanks in advance!!
  • 11-10-2015, 02:37 PM
    Freakie_frog
    Re: Blue Eyed Lucys
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ghost68 View Post
    I have a question. It may be dumb because im not even sure if the genetics are possible, but what would be the odds for blue eyed lucys if you bred a Mojave 100%het for lesser platinum and lesser platinum 100% het for Mojave? Do those het combos even exist? Thanks in advance!!

    No such thing as a Het Lesser. Lesser x Mojo will be a 1:4 chance at a BEL.
  • 11-10-2015, 03:25 PM
    PitOnTheProwl
    Dom and Co-Dom are all visual.
    Recessives are your "hets" meaning they carry the gene but do not show it.
    Exception is the Het Red Axanthic.
  • 11-10-2015, 04:55 PM
    Ghost68
    Thanks, the idea just popped in to my head. I am trying to breed a BEL and just wanted to optimize my odds. But now that makes sense thank yall!
  • 11-10-2015, 05:00 PM
    Freakie_frog
    Re: Blue Eyed Lucys
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ghost68 View Post
    Thanks, the idea just popped in to my head. I am trying to breed a BEL and just wanted to optimize my odds. But now that makes sense thank yall!

    BEL x BEL that's the way to go then
  • 11-10-2015, 07:36 PM
    paulh
    Re: Blue Eyed Lucys
    A mojave 100% het lesser ball python would have a mojave gene paired with a normal gene in one gene pair and a lesser gene paired with a normal gene in a second gene pair.

    Such a genetic combination does not exist because the mojave, lesser, Russo, etc. genes have the same location in the chromosomes. Any two of these genes can make a gene pair. For example, a ball python could have a mojave gene paired with a lesser gene. That snake would be a blue-eyed leucistic.

    By the way, heterozygous is defined as follows: "With respect to a particular trait or condition, an individual who has inherited two different alleles, usually one normal and the other abnormal, at a particular locus" (http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/glossary=heterozygote). Note that there is nothing in that definition about what a heterozygous (het) creature looks like. By definition, a ball python with a mojave gene paired with a normal gene is a heterozygous mojave ball python in spite of not looking normal.

    For many years, only recessive mutant genes were known in snakes. By definition, a snake with a heterozygous gene pair containing a recessive mutant gene and a normal gene looks normal. That is how the belief that all heterozygous snakes look normal got started. But plenty of codominant and a few dominant mutant genes have turned up in snakes, and herpers need to get on board with the standard definitions.
  • 11-14-2015, 07:00 PM
    Izzys Keeper
    Re: Blue Eyed Lucys
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paulh View Post
    A mojave 100% het lesser ball python would have a mojave gene paired with a normal gene in one gene pair and a lesser gene paired with a normal gene in a second gene pair.

    Such a genetic combination does not exist because the mojave, lesser, Russo, etc. genes have the same location in the chromosomes. Any two of these genes can make a gene pair. For example, a ball python could have a mojave gene paired with a lesser gene. That snake would be a blue-eyed leucistic.

    By the way, heterozygous is defined as follows: "With respect to a particular trait or condition, an individual who has inherited two different alleles, usually one normal and the other abnormal, at a particular locus" (http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/glossary=heterozygote). Note that there is nothing in that definition about what a heterozygous (het) creature looks like. By definition, a ball python with a mojave gene paired with a normal gene is a heterozygous mojave ball python in spite of not looking normal.

    For many years, only recessive mutant genes were known in snakes. By definition, a snake with a heterozygous gene pair containing a recessive mutant gene and a normal gene looks normal. That is how the belief that all heterozygous snakes look normal got started. But plenty of codominant and a few dominant mutant genes have turned up in snakes, and herpers need to get on board with the standard definitions.

    In other simpler words, your understanding of genetics are wrong. There's no such thing as a Mojave het lesser. It's either lesser or its not.
    Same with lesser het Mojave. Breed a lesser to a Mojave and get 25% bels statistically

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