Quick question

Hi all,
can the "wobble" present in the spider morph be present in others, like normals, mojaves, phantoms etc?
thanks in advance :3

the wobble in the Spiders are proven genetic. there are others with a "wobble" but are probably not genetic and caused by neurological damage due to excessive temps, chemicals, etc.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

the wobble in the Spiders are proven genetic. there are others with a "wobble" but are probably not genetic and caused by neurological damage due to excessive temps, chemicals, etc.

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The mojave I'm planning on buying had a very slight tremor when I was holding him, should I avoid buying him and get a clutchmate instead or ignore it?

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Originally Posted by friendlynoodles

The mojave I'm planning on buying had a very slight tremor when I was holding him, should I avoid buying him and get a clutchmate instead or ignore it?

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does the wobble look like this?

http://youtu.be/PQweGMjaIlY

that Bee in the vid has a very obvious example of a wobble. It's all loopy. a lot of baby BP's have a little tremor in the head that they grow out of. (sometimes peeps new to BP's mistake this for a wobble.)

Edit: if u like the Mojave and it's healthy, get it. but of course, u have a clutch to choose from.

99% of cases outside of the spider gene complex that have a wobble are due to past injuries, wrong incubation techniques, or prolonged exposure to harsh chemicals. But these cases are extremely rare outside of the spider gene complex. The reason that spider bp's get the "wobble" is due to inbreeding. The cause for the neurological wobble is due to a recessive gene. Since all recessive genes concentrate(get better when closer related) and the spider gene is recessive, then when the spider gene is concentrated so is the wobble. I hoped this helped.

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Originally Posted by Ghost68

The reason that spider bp's get the "wobble" is due to inbreeding. The cause for the neurological wobble is due to a recessive gene. Since all recessive genes concentrate(get better when closer related) and the spider gene is recessive, then when the spider gene is concentrated so is the wobble. I hoped this helped.

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Wrong all around. No wobble genes are recessive, especially not spider. Also, due to rumors of double doses of many of these genes being fatal they tend to be the least inbred genes out there, so inbreeding has little or no effect on the wobble of future generations.

From all observations I have personally seen or heard of, the extent of the wobble in snakes with these genes are totally random and can change as the animal ages. If a normal, mojave, or any other snake without a "wobble" gene present appears to have the same neurological tick, you should consult a reptile vet about it.

Here's a good list of genes that have known issues and a detailed explanation of those issues
http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php

The original spider wobbled, it's not from inbreeding. Champagnes and Womas can have a slight wobble, and I've heard about it in Caramels as well but I've never witnessed it.

Funnily enough I've got a beaut Caramel Albino Spider Royal who's never shown the slightest hint of any wobble ..