super blackpastel/cinny, bel???

ive been looking all around and im just curious if there is a super cinny (all black) bel made with either of the combos so like cinny/lesser x cinny/mojave and hitting super of both. i plan on trying for it either way.

Super Cinnys and Super Black Pastels come from Cinny x Cinny and Black Pastel x Black Pastel respectively....Or the 8-Ball Cinny x Black Pastel. As far as I know, those are the only black supers, although I don't think you can count the 8-Ball as a super. Those 3 are what my daughter refers to as Anti-BELs. A true BEL or white snake is a Leucistic with either blue or black eyes and come from snakes with the BEL complex. Mojaves, Lessers, Mystics, and Fires fall into this category.

Dave

I think the question that ilovemyherps is asking has anyone produced a double super? Where it's both super cinny and super mojave.


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Oh, well in that case I'm pretty sure that breeding a Super Cinny to Super Mojave just gets you a Cinnamon Mojave/Savannah 100% of the time. I don't think it's possible to double up on the alleles like that to produce a 2xSuper. At least that's what my punnet squares and what I remember of mendelian genetics tell me.

EDIT TO ADD: But I could be wrong. There are some actually geneticists on the forum. Perhaps they'll chime in.

Dave

Breeding a cinnamon mojave with another cinnamon mojave will give you a small chance to produce a double super. You can obviously change those morphs depending on the desired result.

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Breeding a cinnamon mojave with another cinnamon mojave will give you a small chance to produce a double super. You can obviously change those morphs depending on the desired result.

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Now this is exactly why I hang out here. I get to learn!

Dave

hmmmm sounds interesting, what i've noticed in life is that everything happens once and follows after that action so a double super PROBABLY can happen you just need that 1 snake to do that and start something new...what can i say I'm a very optimistic guy..:D

I know there are people who are trying to make the super cinny bel but it is not on wbp as of yet so if anyone has made it they have kept it quiet

Wouldn't a super cinny bel just make something that looks like a black Eyed lucistic?

there is alot of speculation on what the super cinny bel would look like
some people say it will be grey some say it will be white alot of people think it will remove the spotting
thus leaving a grey snake
this is a super cinny lesser courtesy of world of ball pythons[IMG]http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psqvxjyns2.jpg[/IMG]