Help on two ball pythons

This one was sold to a friend as a yellowbelly, but I'm not really seeing it.
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7180a36.jpg

And this one I want to hear what you guys think it is...
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...psbcd758a6.jpg

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...ps30e4d126.jpg

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7ac11086.jpg

Thanks in advance

Both look like normals


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I'd say both look to be in the normal range - though the first one has a nice clean belly and what people refer to as pied markers.

You would need to breed to find out if it was het pied or not though.

The first one is a normal.
The second one.........that head stamp is drawing a blank

2nd could be a YB can we get a better picture of the sides? It does have a couple flames but I can only see a part.

Both look like normals to me, if the second one does have yb in it then its not a good grade yb but I still vote normals.

I vote normals on both.

Second one is not yb. Neither the first one, but I like number one, odd pattern and clean belly.