Butter Calico Morph?

Anyone ever made one or know someone who have? Now, I know some people will disagree with me but i'm not looking for a Lesser Calico. Lesser is not the same as the Butter gene.

Anyways, I'm thinking about getting one but haven't seen any pictures of one. The closest thing i've seen is the Butter Calico Pastel morph. Any help in the right direction is appreciated.

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So what makes you say butter and lesser are different morphs?

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Originally Posted by sho220

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okay... so, super lesser, super butter, and lesser butter look identical and all of them have a chance to have the same eye issue.

when you breed a lesser butter to a normal, or to any morph really, you cannot tell apart the lessers and the butters. the same is true when you breed a lesser (or a combo containing lesser) to a butter (or a combo containing butter).

lesser and butter behave the same in every known morph combo. there is no known combo that can allow you to distinguish the two.

so i would say they are the same morph. or, lets put it this way: the abundance of indications that they are the same morph and the complete absence of evidence that they are not the same makes it really difficult to convince anyone that they are not the same.

and there is a practical issue: because the are the same morph, people have no problem at all with re-labeling them. so if you look hard for a butter, someone might just sell you a butter that was born as a lesser but got re-labeled to match your demand. that would not be a nice thing to do, but really, you would have no chance of ever finding out. so you really need a pedigree that goes back far enough into the past so that you can trace it to the original butter, and can rule out any mislabeling or cross-breeding with lesser over the years. this may be a difficult task, given that in recent years, many breeders mix the two genes and make no effort to keep them seperate.

Well I'll give you guys a good example: I have a bumble bee and I was looking for a butter fire for my bee. Now according to WOBP genetic wizard (its my only source of figuring out what i'd get), if you mix a bee with a butter/fire it will get totally different combos than if you'd mix it with lesser/fire.

That draws me to a conclusion that butters and lessers are not the same thing. I know this isn't the best argument but at least you can see the difference for yourself.



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Dynasty Reptiles produces them. I produced a calico lesser this season and they are gorgeous.

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if you mix a bee with a butter/fire it will get totally different combos than if you'd mix it with lesser/fire.




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But they are the same combo.....
What you see in the photographs on WOBP is just natural variation.


If there's a lesser that looks a certain way, there's a butter out there that looks exactly the same. Also take into consideration the the spiders or fires they use could look totally different from the other and change the way the combo morph looks too....


Butter and Lesser are the same genetic mutation. Even their founding breeders say they are the same.

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Well I'll give you guys a good example: I have a bumble bee and I was looking for a butter fire for my bee. Now according to WOBP genetic wizard (its my only source of figuring out what i'd get), if you mix a bee with a butter/fire it will get totally different combos than if you'd mix it with lesser/fire.

That draws me to a conclusion that butters and lessers are not the same thing. I know this isn't the best argument but at least you can see the difference for yourself.



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Look at Butter Fire Spider and check pics 4 and 5. Then compare them to the image of the Lesser Fire Spider. They look the same. Because they are the same. Look through the Lesser Pastel Spider and Butter Pastel Spider pics as well. They look the same. There's a huge variation in coloring and pattern with both, but they are essentially the same.

I disagree butter look different than lessers. Even on the WOBP it says that Butters are similar to lessers but come from a different bloodline. Just because they're similar doesnt make them the same.

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I feel like im fighting a loosing battle here. Lol.

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