Pied and Black Pastel Pied

How do you really tell the difference between the two? I have seen some black pastel pied that looks like a pied. What do you look for in a black pastel pied? Thanks.

umm, much darker color.

if you cannot see it, its not a good example. generally, dont buy stuff where you personally cannot see the gene at work (except for hets).

Most black pastel Pieds are really high white animals.
Their heads and saddles are dark. They lack the orange and yellows regular Pieds have.

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