What is the difference between black pastel and cinnamon?

Is this the same as the butter vs lesser thing, where there is really no way to tell them apart? Or is there a real difference?

BTW, by tell them apart, I mean given a snake in question, any other known breeding stock you want, any number of generations and breeding cycles, is there a way you can PROVE one or the other?

http://heathersherpsblog.blogspot.co...k-pastels.html

http://heathersherpsblog.blogspot.co...ess-falls.html

The color is for sure very different...and black pastels tend to have a busier pattern, and result in busier combos.

the color of the super form is different, and thats the most obvious difference.

Butter and lesser are 2 different lines of the same gene, whereas Cinnamon and Black Pastel are actually 2 different genes. That's why the supers look different.

Even if you could not tell the differences between the patterns, the coloration differences between the black pastel and the cinnamon would jump right out at you.

Here is my 2013 black pastel female I got from Brian Breikss

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...pse22d30f0.jpg

And here is one of the cinnamons I hatched out last year

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...o2_8-22-12.jpg

And here is my black pewter (black pastel x pastel) locked with my female pewter (cinnamon x pastel)

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9a8b1603.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Butter and lesser are 2 different lines of the same gene, whereas Cinnamon and Black Pastel are actually 2 different genes. That's why the supers look different.

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Further research shows I may have spoken out of turn...can someone confirm this?? Are Super Cinnamons actually genetically different than Super Black Pastels??

They are different mutations. However, they are allelic, which is why they are so similar. The supers are different. But both are compatible to make a homozygous form.

If you keep looking at examples, you will learn the differences.
In my personal opinion, I think quality examples look totally different.
They have different colors and patterns.
One of the main black pastel traits are the squiggles in their alien head pattern.
Cinnies are more reddish brown in hue.

Black Pastel:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lHYW4CLelY...Y/s1600/22.jpg

Cinnamon:
http://www.ballpython777.com/cinnamon/cin1.jpg

Here's a comparison picture of them right next to each other

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...psacabc268.jpg

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Originally Posted by satomi325

They are different mutations. However, they are allelic, which is why they are so similar. The supers are different. But both are compatible to make a homozygous form.

If you keep looking at examples, you will learn the differences.
In my personal opinion, I think quality examples look totally different.
They have different colors and patterns.
One of the main black pastel traits are the squiggles in their alien head pattern.
Cinnies are more reddish brown in hue.

Black Pastel:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lHYW4CLelY...Y/s1600/22.jpg

Cinnamon:
http://www.ballpython777.com/cinnamon/cin1.jpg

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^^ this.

If I can't tell at first glance if a snake is black pastel or cinnamon, then it's not good enough to be in my collection. When you have good examples of the two morphs (like pictured above), then it's very obvious that there is a huge difference. When they are poor quality, then you will have a harder time telling them apart.