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  • 01-22-2014, 04:24 PM
    leeshawho
    Question about morphs and genders.
    I am planning on purchasing a pair of ball pythons in the next month. After doing a ton of research, I know that I eventually want to make a hobby of breeding. The pair I was going to start with is a spider and a pastel.

    My question ultimately is does it matter with this pairing which is the female and which is the male, given they're both single gene?

    TIA for any help or guidance!
  • 01-22-2014, 04:29 PM
    Jt balls
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    It makes no difference the spider gene is dominant and the pastel is co dom. Statistics say that 1in4 of ur baby's will b a bumble bee.
    That r around the same price awsell so it make little difference. Some breeders say that the male gene is stronger and u will produce more of the father gene traits but i have seen no evidence of this nor is there any science to back up this theory


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  • 01-22-2014, 04:32 PM
    Jt balls
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    If u get a super pastel male ( will b cheaper than a female) ur odds on producing a bee will double. And u can only produce pastels and bees


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  • 01-22-2014, 04:35 PM
    200xth
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeshawho View Post
    I am planning on purchasing a pair of ball pythons in the next month. After doing a ton of research, I know that I eventually want to make a hobby of breeding. The pair I was going to start with is a spider and a pastel.

    My question ultimately is does it matter with this pairing which is the female and which is the male, given they're both single gene?

    TIA for any help or guidance!

    It doesn't matter for this pairing, but it may for future ones.

    Make a list of combos you want to make someday. If you see a lot of pastel based combos, you may want to get a pastel male so you can use him with multiple females. Conversely, if you see a lot of spider combos on your future wish list, you may want to get a male spider.
  • 01-22-2014, 04:44 PM
    leeshawho
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jt balls View Post
    It makes no difference the spider gene is dominant and the pastel is co dom. Statistics say that 1in4 of ur baby's will b a bumble bee.
    That r around the same price awsell so it make little difference. Some breeders say that the male gene is stronger and u will produce more of the father gene traits but i have seen no evidence of this nor is there any science to back up this theory

    I had a feeling this was the case, but I wanted to confirm before I made the leap. The genetics so far are leaving me a bit stumped. Definitely need to do a bit more research into how all the het percentages work, what traits are co-dom and dom, etc. :weirdface

    Thanks for the replies :)
  • 01-22-2014, 04:45 PM
    leeshawho
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 200xth View Post
    It doesn't matter for this pairing, but it may for future ones.

    Make a list of combos you want to make someday. If you see a lot of pastel based combos, you may want to get a pastel male so you can use him with multiple females. Conversely, if you see a lot of spider combos on your future wish list, you may want to get a male spider.

    I didn't even THINK to consider it this way, which is silly since I've seen so much advice in my research to look and plan ahead. Thank you! :bow:

    Given this piece of advice, looks like I'm going with a male pastel/female spider.
  • 01-22-2014, 04:52 PM
    Jt balls
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    Take a dom animal like the spider if u breed it to a normal statistically half the offspring will b spider half will b normal
    Co- dom is nearly the same but it has another stage. If u have a pastel and breed it to a normal then half the clutch will b pastel half will b normal. Same as the dom. However if u breed a pastel to a pastel 1in4 of the baby's produced will b super pastel. If u breed any super pastel to a normal all of ur baby's will b pastel


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  • 01-22-2014, 04:57 PM
    Jt balls
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    That leaves a recessive gene like a pied of example. If u take a pied and breed it to a normal. All of the offspring will look normal, but they r carriers of that gene (heterozygous or het for short). Only when u breed 2 heterozygous animal together do u produce the visual representation of that morph


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  • 01-22-2014, 04:59 PM
    Jt balls
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    It all sound a bit complex but trust me its easy. http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html


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  • 01-22-2014, 05:01 PM
    Jt balls
    Re: Question about morphs and genders.
    http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_codom.html


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