Well .. in my efforts not to have to do what i ultimately have to do ( boy thats a mouthful ) .. somewhere along the line i broke the chat server ;). Ball-Pythons.net chat will be down until at least midnight tonite. I'm sorry for the problems, but they must be fixed. At the same time ... i will be implementing a new feature to help make our chat very informative for those that have questions reguarding reptiles.