To double sire, or not?

This season I'm planning the following pairings

Pied (m) x Axanthic (f)
Killerbee het Axanthic (m) x Axanthic Pastel (f)

But I'm wondering, since my axanthic girl has been eating like a voracious monster the last few months and is pushing 2,500g if I should pair her with the killerbee male also? If she lays a big clutch, I may end up with a bunch of extra double hets to find homes for (which I suspect is more difficult than say pastel axanthics), but if I pair her with the killerbee I might not get enough double hets (or any at all) for a lightning project. I keep waffling back and forth, so I'd appreciate any insights from people who have experience with double sired clutches. Thanks!

I would not double sire a DH clutch with the two different recessive males in your case because your KillerBee Axanthic is only a Het.

Pied x Axanthic clutch would look all Normal.

KillerBee Het Axanthic x Axanthic clutch could contain Normal looking babies.

How would you know what the Normal looking hatchlings are? They could be DH Pied Axanthic or 100% Het Axanthic. Not a good scenario.

It is quite different than siring a clutch with a Black Pastel 100% Het Pied and a Pastel 100% Het Pied x Pied..... you know those Normal looking hatchlings are all 100% Het Pied.

Your scenario, if I understand it correctly, would leave some hatchlings you would not really know the genetics of without proving them out years down the road, and therefor not really able to be sold as much more than Normals.

I hope I understood your question correctly??

[QUOTE=Badgemash;2174260]This season I'm planning the following pairings

Pied (m) x Axanthic (f)
Killerbee het Axanthic (m) x Axanthic Pastel (f)

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

KillerBee Het Axanthic x Axanthic clutch could contain Normal looking babies.

How would you know what the Normal looking hatchlings are? They could be DH Pied Axanthic or 100% Het Axanthic. Not a good scenario.

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Actually gents...

It would be perfectly fine because the Killerbee is a Super... so if you end up with normal looking babies, then you know the Pied sired them :gj: with the Axanthic female that is.

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Originally Posted by Badgemash

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It would be perfectly fine because the Killerbee is a Super... so if you end up with normal looking babies, then you know the Pied sired them :gj: with the Axanthic female that is.

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That was what I was thinking, I definitely wouldn't do any pairings that might give me unknowns or pos hets, but those two were so good to me last season (she laid 5 eggs when she was 1700g and produced 0.1 ax bee, 2.1 ax pastels, and 0.1 bee het ax) that I'm sorely tempted to put him in there again. But I'd also really really like to get 1.2 double hets for lightning pied...

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

Your scenario, if I understand it correctly, would leave some hatchlings you would not really know the genetics of without proving them out years down the road, and therefor not really able to be sold as much more than Normals.

I hope I understood your question correctly??

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The male is a super pastel, so any of his offspring will be pastels. I'm just worried that particular male might do his job too well and not leave me any double hets.

You can try your luck at getting a double sired clutch, or you can just do the sure thing and pair your pied exclusively to your axanthic for your double hets.

I know your concerned with ending up trying to sell the DH babies but I think that will only be a concern if you end up with way more males, but there isn't much option aside from going out and buying them;and since that's a double recessive project its already going to take long.

I say you just make your double hets and get that out the way and just hopefully you get a boat load more females than males. You can always pair the killerbee to her next season, your more than likely going to see immediate results with that pairing anyways, so it can wait. Get the ball rolling for your lightning project this season.

How badly do you want that lightning pied? Think of it this way... If you don't hit on a dual sired clutch, your lightning pied project is pushed back 1 season, at the very least. Can you bear to wait that long? If so, go for the dual clutch. I personally would make the DH. But I'm a bit biased; I do love a good pied :)

I would also go with the double hets.
Thats a long term deal and the sooner you get girls growing the better.
Good luck!

Thanks everyone, I think this was the little push I needed to just stick to the plan. I bough the pied specifically for this DH project, so I suppose I should stay the (very long term) course.

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Originally Posted by Badgemash

The male is a super pastel, so any of his offspring will be pastels. I'm just worried that particular male might do his job too well and not leave me any double hets.

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This is the most likely case actually. I've tried many multi-male breedings and have never produced a split clutch. I know that people are posting their multi sired clutches here every year but it's a lot more rare then you might think. Timing is everything and usually the last male to breed before ovulation is the father. At least in my experience.