southern ontario breeders price wars

Hey everyone im here fora bit of a rant, i go to every expo in my area of southern ontario usually one a month. But things have just gotten rediculous up here. Last year prices seemed stable cheapy morphs are 125-350$ new things wwre 750 -1000 this past expo i was seeing mojave females for 75$ pin females 100$ pastels were 50$ spiders same 50$. I love how i bought all these last year for 250 350 for males. The breeders up here are trying to out produce n under sell each other so much that ppl r giving snakes away. I was offered a phatom breeder male het alb. 40$. Soon there will b no market up here or no one will be breeding becaise they cant affors the rats. Anyone else find this discusting n foolish. Or is it happening by you

nothing can be done about it, its the way the market works.

do you want to grab them by the sholders and tell them they should stop breeding? Why would they listen? Nope, if they are in it for the money they will continue until they lose hope of breaking even, and if they are in it for the fun of it they will continue as long as its fun.

i dont see how it could be called "disgusting n foolish". No individual in the game can change it.

Buy all the mojave females and hope you can catch a ghi for $200 lol!

If Grant wanted to he could put together an approved pricing list. Then anyone who vends at the show sells their snakes for the same, or more than what they have agreed to. Sure, some people would be against that idea - but it would help to normalize the market. I would agree to it.

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Originally Posted by Rickys_Reptiles

If Grant wanted to he could put together an approved pricing list. Then anyone who vends at the show sells their snakes for the same, or more than what they have agreed to. Sure, some people would be against that idea - but it would help to normalize the market. I would agree to it.

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i live in Germany, and basically its a weird cross of democracy, capitalism, and socialism, so i know a bit about how to tinker with the free market if necessary.

and i dont really believe that would work. it would only hurt that specific reptile show and people would just undermine and undercut it. Obvious ideas would be to give some sort of kickback under the table. like, you buy a morph that is worth 50, but the event forces the seller to charge 100, so you pay 100 and get a 50 dollar gift card, to be used online or when purchasing at any other event.

one idea that could work would be an import tax of 20 dollars for any python hatchling or snake imported into the USA. That would make the dirt cheap mass imports of tens of thousands of normal hatchlings from africa unfeasible, and suddenly the big chains and the big distributors will look at locally bred BPs and morphs with different eyes. Thats the big price undercut, in africa you pay between 5 and 7 dollars for a nice healthy but unfed hatchling, you put 2000 in a big box and get them to the USA. In the USA they are then at 20 dollars a piece and get distributed to the big chains. No breeder in the USA can possibly compete. these shipments happen all the time.

Approved pricing lists can work if you implement extreme social ostracism on breeders who sell under that amount. However everyone has an incentive to do backroom deals at lower prices to get stuff sold. This is actually quite a good thing for consumers because their goods are constantly decreasing in cost and the quality of the breeders must continue to increase if said breeders want to sell and stand out from the rest. Also, we should all be in a race to innovate and outcompete the masses. This is the only way that your business has a shot at surviving long term.

Well up here in Canada we have roughly 1 dozen expos a year, and 1 major forum... they are all owned by the same guy. So if he chose to dictate the price of animals at his shows, or on his forum...well.... he probably could make a huge impact.

sure people would still sell for less on their won, but the mass exposure would be higher pricing.

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Originally Posted by Rickys_Reptiles

If Grant wanted to he could put together an approved pricing list. Then anyone who vends at the show sells their snakes for the same, or more than what they have agreed to. Sure, some people would be against that idea - but it would help to normalize the market. I would agree to it.

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Until people make deals and then go meet in the parking lot for a lower price.....

I see the same thing happening here in the states. I'm seeing pastels for $50 and spiders for the same. It stinks that it's happening but that's how the market is. But all I know is that when my babies start hatching from their eggs nothing is going to be sold for $50. I think normals are worth more than $50 so in my opinion no morph should ever be priced that low. But that's just my personal opinion. I can't understand how you feel about it.


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Originally Posted by AlexisFitzy

I see the same thing happening here in the states. I'm seeing pastels for $50 and spiders for the same. It stinks that it's happening but that's how the market is. But all I know is that when my babies start hatching from their eggs nothing is going to be sold for $50. I think normals are worth more than $50 so in my opinion no morph should ever be priced that low. But that's just my personal opinion. I can't understand how you feel about it.


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Good luck with that.