What would I get....

If I was to breed a Normal Het Fire x Normal Het Mojave?

Fire and Mojave are co-dom not recessive, so het doesn't apply to them.

Play a bit with http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard and you'll get the idea.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Fire and Mojave are co-dom not recessive, so het doesn't apply to them.

Play a bit with http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard and you'll get the idea.

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Ive tried to use that wizard. I cant find Normal or Het Fire.

When using the World of Ball Pythons wizard, if you want to use a Normal as one of the BPs, just leave that side blank, that is the default for Normal. Also, there is no such thing as Het Fire or Het Mojave since both are Codominant morphs. Hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by ROACH

Ive tried to use that wizard. I cant find Normal or Het Fire.

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There is no such thing as a het fire. It is fire, or it is not fire. It IS mojave or it is not mojave. There are het clowns, het albino, het pied, het sunset, etc.... Only recessive morphs can be het.

But if you want to think of it that way, a het fire would be a fire, with a black eyed lucy as the "visible" form. Same thing with pastels, mojaves, etc. Anything with a super form needs a pair of the genes the same as recessives.

Try bhb genetic wizard. I like it a little better than WoB personally.

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Originally Posted by DTK

There is no such thing as a het fire. It is fire, or it is not fire. It IS mojave or it is not mojave. There are het clowns, het albino, het pied, het sunset, etc.... Only recessive morphs can be het.

But if you want to think of it that way, a het fire would be a fire, with a black eyed lucy as the "visible" form. Same thing with pastels, mojaves, etc. Anything with a super form needs a pair of the genes the same as recessives.

Try bhb genetic wizard. I like it a little better than WoB personally.

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Ok so what do I have here....she bred a Normal x Fire and another batch was Normal x Mojave?

yes, the heterozygous form of "fire" is just called fire. the super form / homozygous form is the black eye leucistic super fire.

same with mojave, the heterozygous form is called mojave, the homozygous form is called super mojave, and super mojave is a blue eye leucistic.

both are incomplete dominant, more commonly we incorrectly call them codom, or codominant. since the super forms are so dramatic, you might consider them recessives, where the hets have markers that are so strong that you can also consider them morphs on their own. some people say that fire is also "het black eye leucistic" and that mojave is "het BEL / blue eye leucistic". So i can see where you are coming from; the abundance of such codominant genes is a specialty in ball python breeding, while in other species most known morphs are recessive.

mojave and fire are different genes, independent from each other, not allelic, not part of the same gene complex. So a double homozygous form, the super fire super mojave, is possible.

and if you breed fire to mojave, you get 25% normals, 25% fire, 25% mojave, and 25% fire mojave. im sure you can get it to work this way with a morph calculator, just select a fire as a male and a mojave as a female.

btw, both are part of a gene complex. Mojave is in the blue eye leucistic complex and interacts with other genes like lesser, butter, mystic, phantom, mocha, special, het russo, and bamboo. Fire is in the black eye leucistic complex and interacts with the sulfur, vanilla, and disco genes.

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Originally Posted by ROACH

Ok so what do I have here....she bred a Normal x Fire and another batch was Normal x Mojave?

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If you have a normal from each of those clutches then they are just normals, no het for anything (unless there is some unknown hets passed on from the parents). If you bred them together you would just get normals.

Sounds like you have two normals to me. But pictures would help. If you think you have a normal het fire and normal het mojave then you have two classic ball pythons. Nothing wrong with them, but you wont get anything besides the classic ball python from breeding them.