2013 Extreme Ringer Clutch

Here is a post shed picture of the Pied x Extreme Ringer clutch. I wasn't aware that either was het albino so imagine my surprise when these were the first two to hatch. There were also two white snakes that died as they came out of the egg. I had folks telling me that the champ ringer was a pied so I wanted to prove it one way or another this year. I did prove that she wasn't a pied since there was a regular albino (het pied) in the clutch but could she be het albino and het pied? Or is this an albino extreme ringer? It doesn't feel like I cleared up much :confuzd:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ngerclutch.jpg

What amazing luck! Thats awesome.

Nice babies and even better luck! Sorry for the two you lost, but gotta love ringers that give you some cool animals. Congrats!

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

Here is a post shed picture of the Pied x Extreme Ringer clutch. I wasn't aware that either was het albino so imagine my surprise when these were the first two to hatch. There were also two white snakes that died as they came out of the egg. I had folks telling me that the champ ringer was a pied so I wanted to prove it one way or another this year. I did prove that she wasn't a pied since there was a regular albino (het pied) in the clutch but could she be het albino and het pied? Or is this an albino extreme ringer? It doesn't feel like I cleared up much :confuzd: [/IMG]

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I would think producing an ERing from a parent pretty much known not to be het pied would pretty much prove it, but from my understanding havn't you done that already?

is the one on the right an albino pied?

or can a ringer really be so extreme that everything except head and neck is turned white?

consider the awesomeness of randomly having an albino pied pop out of a pied clutch. unbelievable. unlikely as it seems, its hard for me to see how the one on the right could NOT be an albino pied. i mean, can just a ringer be so extreme that the ring covers 90% of the body?

seems like you got yourself into an albino pied project just with an insane amount of love from the odd gods. you have an albino het pied, and you now know that your pied is a pied het albino, and you have a possible visual albino pied.

i would totally buy unrelated 100% double-het albino pieds from a different breeder and go for it. (i would try to avoid inbreeding because of the two all-white mystery BPs that died after hatching; im thinking maybe you also hit another recessive gene that produces all-white BPs that die).

anyway, congratulations, you really got lucky with these!

That's awesome!!! I love when breedings pop up something completely unexpected

This is probably a stupid question from an untrained amateur eye, but can we deduce anything from the different head patterns on these two babies? IE. One is an albino and the other is a pied albino (can one recessive gene "dominate" another?)? Let me make sure I've got the parents straight - dad was a pied and mom was a champagne ringer?

Second, and no offense, but the body of the one on the right freaks me out. Looks like a chewed up piece of bubble gum or taffy all twisted.

I've posted other information regarding the extreme ringers so I didn't want to go through it all again. If you're interested just search Extreme Ringer for the history and other clutches this snake produced. Please let me know if you have any questions.

The original extreme ringer:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...eroneggs-1.jpg

Some babies when I bred her with a fire with a small ringer, neither parents are het pied as far as I know:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...Champagnes.jpg

I dunno', man. You got me. :confusd:

Left one looks like a regular albino to me based upon the head. One on the right looks like an albino pied based on the head.

Has anyone produced a known champagne pied yet? If so, I'm not seeing it on WOBP. Maybe the two just interact differently than what we're used to seeing with pieds? I seem to have noticed that a lot of champagnes are also ringers. I know nobody's got an albino-pied-champagne. I just can't picture it being an albino ringer with that big of a ring and no cut-off line. Then again, I probably wouldn't have expected albinos to pop out of those eggs either.

You sure you didn't mark the clutch wrong or switch it around or something? I'm reeaaaally wishing I had 4k sitting around to snatch up that fire-pied-ringer-albino-abomination thing you got there. What the heck you feeding your critters, man?

Brock, I've seen one picture of a supposed champ pied and it looked like a spied with champ coloring, just a small cap on it's head. The funny thing about the "cut-off line" is that the above babies didn't have it either when they hatched.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...13ERChamps.jpg

I know I didn't mix up the clutches. I only have one regular albino and she produced candinos for me earlier this season.