Low white or Ringer?

I got this as a low white and have never heard the term ringer until today so now Im worried.What do the experts think?

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Looks like a low white to me. Most ringers I've seen have it lower on the body. Plus yours has a really wonky pattern. Here's a body shot of my ringer. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/15/hare4agy.jpg

It looks more pied than ringer with those crazy patterns. Decider is does it have the pied dirty looking chin?

Low white; IMO.

There's quite a bit of white to her to be a ringer.

My girl:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/15/5ypyma9e.jpg

What do you mean but dirty chin?He does have a weird thing going on but I never payed much attention to it.
Also,what do you guys think hes worth?I got him in a trade along with a champagne for an adult water monitor.

I've seen the adult low whites for around 350-400

Hey, Eric. It's SnakeGuy. I'd agree with these other replies that it's a low white, but I've only seen two low whites in person and no ringers in person, so take that with a grain of salt.

In my opinion, he must be bred to a few visuals to prove him out. I believe he is a true Paradox Pied. He has both Pied pattern and normal pattern on his body. Where the pattern is normal, he has het Pied belly markers, where it is Pied, he has a Pied belly. We produced him in 2010 and sold him cheap and with full disclosure because I wasn't willing to risk our reputation by selling him as a Pied. Here is a link to our clutch records that shows him: http://piedpeddler.com/page2.php?vie...ory=7&image=70

Maybe somebody who knows more about Pieds than me can guarantee he is a Pied by looking at him. I have never been willing to do that. He is now old enough to have been bred several times in order to determine for sure if he is a Pied.

Paul

My super pastel het pied has a ringer, kinda.

http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1a1ff737.jpg
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Not sure if its a true ringer, but it looks like someone took an eraser to it.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

There's quite a bit of white to her to be a ringer.

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So you're saying a lot of white = no ringer? Please explain!

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hamp-ovulation

I've never heard any amount of white on a pied referred to as a ringer.