black pastel vs cinnamon are they the same morph?

hello :) i have a question, i know im rather new to the ball python world but i honestly see no difference in black pastel and cinnamon.
is there large differences from the two when they are bred to other morphs?
perhaps the black pastel is a more color morph whereas the cinnamon is a color and pattern morph?
i have searched around wobp.com and it seems like they both make the same looking animals.
im so confused any help on this subject would be most appreciated ty for your time :)

Similar and part of the same complex.

But there are definitely differences between them as there is with lemon and graziani pastels. :)

They are very similar. The genetic mutation, from what I understand is along the same allele - which makes their appearance very similar. There are some differences, and it does make a difference in some mutations. You can think of it like the lesser vs. butter

In person to me the difference is extremely clear

thank you for your posting,

if i may ask could you discribe the difference you saw im only trying to see it for myself.i own two rather large female cinnys but i have only ever seen one black pastel.

Ok,

So from my experience with black pastels and cinnamons:

Black pastels tend to have a darker color overall, darker heads, bolder/brighter eye stripes and dorsal stripes, less whitish flaming near the belly, and a more orange coloration. The alien heads also tend to have black flecking around the "O" giving them a more granite-like appearance.

https://ball-pythons.net/images/morp...01-deborah.jpg

Cinnamons are light/browner in color, tend to have lighter blacks and more blushing. Their heads tend to be a mocha brown color with pale faded eye stripes. They have high whitish flames from the belly up the sides towards the back, and are creamier in appearance. Their alien heads tend to be clean looking, with nearly no flecking at all.

http://pythonregius.com/images/produ...nnamon13M3.jpg

Hope that helps!

There are definitely clear differences. TJ just summed it up perfectly. :)

If I compare all the pictures available of both,and not just pic and choose, they are the same. Just like lesser/butter.

When looking at good examples it's like nite and day to me :D

TJ pretty much covered anything useful i was gunna say. Good writeup!

Awesome post TJ!!

Thank you.