100% hets without markers

can we see pics of 100% hets (proven or papered, or even better, produced by you) that DO NOT have the markers associated with that morph's het? particularly looking for het pieds, although het clowns are welcome too. people always talk about how "most" het pieds or het clowns are pretty obvious with tail stripes, wonky pattern, etc. but i want to see examples where this isn't the case.

One think that I find interesting, is that I have a pair of het pieds that do NOT have the markers, but they often produce offspring that DO have the markers. :weirdface

I don't have any current pictures. Sorry.

A good topic for a thread indeed :D

Looking forward to seeing where it leads. :)

im guessing a bunch of pictures of normals, but i want to know how frequently 100% het (pieds and clowns) show up looking absolutely freakin' normal, no traintracks, no blushing and flames, etc.

nobody?

I honestly don't know what other "markers" look like besides the Pied gene. I see people saying that het clowns have markers, but I don't even know where to look. I have Normal het Ghost girls that I bought who are much lighter than my regular normals. And a Normal het G-Stripe who is insanely bright compared to my other normal girls. I also have a Spider het Ghost girl who is a lot lighter than my other spider. So I'm thinking the het Ghost gene lightens them up a bit. But I'm no expert on genetic yet. I'll post some pics for you though.

I agree with the OP, if anyone has snakes with markers, I'd love to see them also.

Normal het Ghost, she came with paperwork though.
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...81611402_n.jpg

Spider het Ghost, no paperwork
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...89474706_n.jpg

The insanely bright Normal het G-stripe, bought her at a show with no paperwork
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...75082325_n.jpg

I also have a Mojave ph Ghost female, who is much lighter, so we're thinking she'll prove out. If she every gives it up...stingy girl :mad:
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...36456322_n.jpg

Dang that het gstripe is pretty! Sometimes I see het gstripe spiders that have a pretty serious dorsal thing going on. I had two very normal looking het og babies for a while there, back when they were $250 for a pair of hets *facepalm* and sometimes het ghosts are sort of hypo in appearance but these sure werent.

I've got a female het hypo that was the darkest hatchling in her clutch. She produces some really nice ghosts