Proving a Poss Het...

Suppose you cross a 1.0 visual pied with a 0.1 50% poss het pied, how many hatchlings do you want to see until you say "Nope, she's a normal".

If you put a visual to a het half of the babies should be visual. So if no visuals in the first clutch then she's probable just a normal. But you could give it a second go just to make sure you didn't have the worse odds ever.

Until one of the female 100% hets grows up enough to breed back to the male.

my answer would be: 4.

if it really is a 100% het pied, your chance to miss out on one egg is 50%, for two eggs its 25%, for 3 eggs its 12,5%, and after 4 eggs, at 6,25%, i would write it off.

i mean if its lets say a lesser enchi possible het pied female and you want to breed lesser and enchi into pied you might still repeat the breeding to hit your lesser enchi 100% het pied. So there may be a good reason to continue.

if there isnt one, or if its really just a possible het pied female without other genes, i would stop after 4 eggs.

Also some people can make out het pied markers in possible het pieds and pick the ones that are most likely to be the real het pieds, which already casts more doubt on possible hets than would be the case with, lets say, albino.

Rule of thumb tends to be 3 clutches to prove out hets.
I know people who have 100% guaranteed hets that didn't prove out on the first or second clutch, but did the third. So don't give up if you don't get visuals the first time around. It could just be crappy odds.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Until one of the female 100% hets grows up enough to breed back to the male.

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Is that a joke or real advice?

That's real advice. I've had possible hets that haven't proven out until their 4th clutch. By that time you should have a female from an earlier clutch old enough to breed back to her father. Yes, according to the 'odds' you should know in the 1st clutch, unfortunatly snakes aren't very good at math. Besides, what else are you going to breed her too?

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Until one of the female 100% hets grows up enough to breed back to the male.

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I...don't...understand??
What would that prove? Absolutely nothing since all of the babies will be 100% hets no matter what...That will prove nothing of the mothers genetics

Unless you're talking about specifically just trying to get pieds. The post was about proving a possible het though....not inbreeding just to get pieds (which really isn't necessary anymore)

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Originally Posted by MarkS

That's real advice. I've had possible hets that haven't proven out until their 4th clutch. By that time you should have a female from an earlier clutch old enough to breed back to her father. Yes, according to the 'odds' you should know in the 1st clutch, unfortunatly snakes aren't very good at math. Besides, what else are you going to breed her too?

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Very true. But the offspring from the first clutch would all be guaranteed 100% hets since dad is a visual, and it wouldn't necessarily prove mom as a het.

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Originally Posted by SnowShredder

I...don't...understand??
What would that prove? Absolutely nothing since all of the babies will be 100% hets no matter what...That will prove nothing of the mothers genetics

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You beat me to it! Lol