BCC Columbian RTB

So my breeder I got my RTB from said that she is a true BCC Columbian and I'm not entirely sure the differences between the BCC's, BCI's and the different Locales etc.

Here's some pictures and I'll let you guys know what you think...

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I'll get some better pics soon.

Btw this is my first baby girl boa :)

A picture of her tail would help a lot. Usually the BCCs have really red tails. It would be the first indicator I would look for. From your pictures it doesn't look like it, but they could also be washed out by the flash.

Considering colombians are BCIs I would feel its safe to say you have a bci. Your snake doesn't look like any BCC locale to me. Did the breeder mean its a bci/bcc cross?

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Considering colombians are BCIs I would feel its safe to say you have a bci. Your snake doesn't look like any BCC locale to me. Did the breeder mean its a bci/bcc cross?

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I agree. From the picture as far as I can see, this animal looks like a normal Colombian BCI. If it was sold to you as a BCC, I would like to know who the breeder is and see a better picture of the tail and a clearer pic of the body including the head.

I'm not saying this ISN'T a BCC, but based on these pictures it does not look like one. And knowing who the breeder is would help us too - there are a lot of good breeders out there and if your snake's breeder is one with a well-known and good reputation, we can tell you that you can trust what he says.



But I can say that you do NOT have a "true BCC Colombian". There is no such thing. Red Tail Boas are classified as follows:

The following was originally posted by fellow BP.netter, Vypyrz...

Boa Constrictor Constrictor (BCC)- These are the "true red tails." These are generally the largest in size and maintain their red tails into adulthood. The tail will normally have a distinct red color that ranges from bright red to a deeper, more blood red color. They come from:
Peru
Brazil
Venezuela
Suriname
Guyana

Boa Constrictor Imperator (BCI)- This is the largest group of boa constrictors. Their tail color normally ranges from a darker, more subdued red to a more common brown color. They include the boas from Central America:
Colombia
Panama
Costa Rica
Nicaraqua
Mexico: Tamaulipas, Tarahumara
and the insular islands:
Hogg Island
Caulker Cay
Crawl Cay
Corn Island

Boa Constrictor Amarali (BCA)- Bolivian boa constrictors

Boa Constrictor Longicauda (BCL)- These come from the Tumbes region of Peru. They are also known as the Peruvian Long-tail Boa, as they have a higher scale count from their vent to tail tip, than the Peruvian BCC.

Boa Constrictor Occidentalis (BCO)- Argentine boa constrictors.

Boa Constrictor Sabogae (BCS)- Pearl Island boa constrictors

As well as, some of the lesser known sub-species:

Boa Constrictor Nebulosa- Dominican Republic, Lesser Antilles
Boa Constrictor Orophias- St. Lucia
Boa Constrictor Melanogaster- Ecuador Black Belly

It is best to research each of these, as they have different sizes, colorings, and growth rates. Here are a few websites to help you get started, where the different sub-species of Boa Constrictor are discussed and described:

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/com.html

http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/contactinformation/

http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/index.htm

Physical Differences:

-Saddle Shape: Generally the BCI saddles will have a rounder appearance, looking something like this: ( ) ( ) ( ), whereas the BCC saddles generally have an apex in the saddles, much like this: } { } { } { } . While this is a good marker, it is not always reliable.

-Head Shape: The head shape between BCC and BCI may be hard to detect in neonates, but from about 1 year in age, the differences become more apparent. The BCC generally have less pronounced jaw muscles, giving the head a more slender, longer, or uniformly tapered appearance, with a more pointed shaped nose. Also, the size of the head will appear larger in relation to the size of the body in the neck area. The BCI generally has more pronounced jaw muscles and a more blunt or broader looking nose, giving the head a shorter appearance. Also the BCI head will appear smaller in relation to the size of the body in the neck area.

-Scale Count: Scale count is another indicator of Boa type, however, since a lot of the numbers overlap, it should not be relied on solely. Scale count + Head shape is the most accurate method of determining the type of Boa that you have. If you are looking for a specific locale of BCC or BCI, the easiest way to ensure that you are getting what you want is to buy from a reputable breeder who will guarantee the genetics.

Wow lots of info here thank you all!

Basically what I asked is if it was the largest species of RTB. He said it was, and I asked if it was a Columbian, and also if it was a BCC or BCI. He said it was a common RTB which is a Columbian with BCC. So since I'm new to boas I guess I assume that BCC and Columbian is the same but apparently not possible?

I'm gonna go take some very specific pictures of the head, tail, vent, and markings...

Be right back ;)

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Wow lots of info here thank you all!

Basically what I asked is if it was the largest species of RTB. He said it was, and I asked if it was a Columbian, and also if it was a BCC or BCI. He said it was a common RTB which is a Columbian with BCC. So since I'm new to boas I guess I assume that BCC and Columbian is the same but apparently not possible?

I'm gonna go take some very specific pictures of the head, tail, vent, and markings...

Be right back ;)

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If the snake is a Colombian it is not the largest species of boa constrictor. Colombians can get big, but not as big as the BCO and BCC boas.

If he said it was a common Colombian boa "with" BCC then perhaps this snake is a cross and therefore not pure.

BCC is not a Colombian = Colombians are not BCCs.

BCC boas would be Peruvians, Surinames, Guyanas, etc (some examples)

BCI boas would be Colombians, Central Americans, Hog Islands, Mexican dwarf boas, and other island boas (some examples)

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http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/...2/null-181.jpg

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/...2/null-182.jpg

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Hope these help!

So anymore ideas?


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Doesn't look like any BCC locale I've seen. I'd say normal BCI

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Doesn't look like any BCC locale I've seen. I'd say normal BCI

+2 for Normal BCI