Flames, Blushing, Fading and other markings.

So, I'm trying to put together a kind of comprehensive guide to BP markings, not morphs but markings, and I'm curious to know how much people use the terms interchangeably or if they're viewed as distinct types of markings since I've seen them used either way in the past. Personally, I at least see Flaming and Blushing as being two distinct things, Blushing is the light colouring found inside the dorsal area of the saddles and the head (like what Pastels and Hypos have) and flaming is the lighter colouring that comes up on the sides of some morphs (like Mojaves and Yellow Bellies), and Fading could be just an overarching term to refer to either. Wondering how many people would agree with that definition.

Also, I've come up with a list of markings so far but I'm wondering if I'm missing anything. I'm mostly trying to avoid patterns that are associated with making up specific morphs (such as Spider/Pinstripe patterning, that's obvious) but yeah, here''s my list thus far.
Head markings: Headstamps, Nose/Booger Spots, Shield/Masking, Eyes (Bi-Colour, Heterochromia)
Dorsal/Body: Dorsal Striping, Rosettes/Alien Heads, Saddles, Graniting/Peppering
Sides/Belly: White Sides (like on Calicos/Spiders), Washed Out (kind of that faded pattern you see in Silverstreaks and some het. Pied things), Train Tracks (Like on Yellow Bellies and Het. Pieds), Ringer
Other: Banding, Busy/Reduced Patterns, Blackback (not referring to the actual morph here, just the trait), "Reduced Melanin Patches" (I don't know if there is an actual term for it but I see normals with it from time to time)

Oh come on people, someone must have something to add.

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Originally Posted by MisterKyte

So, I'm trying to put together a kind of comprehensive guide to BP markings, not morphs but markings, and I'm curious to know how much people use the terms interchangeably or if they're viewed as distinct types of markings since I've seen them used either way in the past. Personally, I at least see Flaming and Blushing as being two distinct things, Blushing is the light colouring found inside the dorsal area of the saddles and the head (like what Pastels and Hypos have) and flaming is the lighter colouring that comes up on the sides of some morphs (like Mojaves and Yellow Bellies), and Fading could be just an overarching term to refer to either. Wondering how many people would agree with that definition.

Also, I've come up with a list of markings so far but I'm wondering if I'm missing anything. I'm mostly trying to avoid patterns that are associated with making up specific morphs (such as Spider/Pinstripe patterning, that's obvious) but yeah, here''s my list thus far.
Head markings: Headstamps, Nose/Booger Spots, Shield/Masking, Eyes (Bi-Colour, Heterochromia)
Dorsal/Body: Dorsal Striping, Rosettes/Alien Heads, Saddles, Graniting/Peppering
Sides/Belly: White Sides (like on Calicos/Spiders), Washed Out (kind of that faded pattern you see in Silverstreaks and some het. Pied things), Train Tracks (Like on Yellow Bellies and Het. Pieds), Ringer
Other: Banding, Busy/Reduced Patterns, Blackback (not referring to the actual morph here, just the trait), "Reduced Melanin Patches" (I don't know if there is an actual term for it but I see normals with it from time to time)

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Spiders and other morphs somtimes have mustaches. I think liv's or doolittle's snakes have them so they could post a pic of what i mean...

Also, circular alien heads along the side of the body or on top. I call them donuts. Tim called them cheerios earlier. Just another name for a round alien head. Like these:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/a9erybyj.jpg

A "clean" pattern. This can be referred to with a lot of different morphs, from what ive seen. The most common i can think of would be a "clean" bumblebee. This means that there isnt much speckling or dots along the sides of it. Nice yellow colors and nice spider markings. It can be applicable in a lot of different ways though. The bees on this page are all pretty clean imo:
http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/...umble_bee.html

The last thing i can think of that you didnt mention are hooks in YB's. I'm not sure if they show up in other morphs or in any YB combos but YB's sometimes have hooks in their patterns. Brian at Breaking Balls mentioned it in one of his videos. His YB's have really good examples of them. My female YB only has one really good one marked by the arrow here. Its not a requirement for the morph, just another indicator really.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/3aryzeda.jpg

I hope this is what you were looking for...

Huh, the thing with "Hooks" is interesting. I didn't think it as much of a morph marker for YBs since I've never really noticed it before, I've noticed those kind of hooks on YB combos a lot though. I think my male Lesser may even have something vaguely similar to this although I know he's totally not a YB anything.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/52883323b...lwhmo2_500.jpg

Also the "Circular alienheads", which I was pretty much referring to when I said "Rosette", wasn't really the something I was looking for but I did notice something that I think I left off after looking at your Cinnamon, Mike. I guess I'd call them Chained rosettes or just "Chains". You know those strings of connected Alienheads that usually pop up on Cinns and Black Pastels, those are actually a good example of a distinct type of patterning that I'm looking for.

Is this what you mean by chain/rosette?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/ynany9ub.jpg

Thats a male cinny i sold. He has a completely different pattern from the cinny female i posted.

The YB hooks are interesting. Its something that as soon as i heard Brian mention it, i kinda thought about it and realized that it did seem pretty common. I'm honestly not sure if its common in other morphs besides YB. Now where it gets interesting is that my "fire" female has some pattern that reminds me of these hooks too... She's just a fire until proven otherwise though! ;)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/uje9uguq.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/6enyqa6e.jpg

Okay, so highlighted in red is the sort of patterning I would consider a "Chain", just trying to make sure it's clear that we're on the same page here, and it's probably most common in Cinnamon/Black Pastel BPs but I see outside of the morph as well. Just with less frequency.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2821/8...8572a515_o.jpg
And I think a Rosette would just be a synonym for Alienhead, except for me personally an Alienhead is a specific type of pattern. Like, I'd call all that side patterning "Rosettes" and then the Rosette category can be broken up into thinks like "True Alienheads", Donuts/Cherrios, and Chains, etc.
Like here, I've highlighted like everything I'm referring in green to when I say "Rosette".
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3718/8...e186bef9_o.png

Also yeah, that Hook thing is interesting, I'll probably keep an eye open to it in the future when looking at YBs. I can't help but wonder if it's one of those things where once you know what you're looking for, you can see it or if it's a case of, you're subconsciously looking for the pattern when it's been put in your head with disregard to actually frequency that it appears. So far, definitely seems to be something that pretty apparent, to me at least, in most YB combos.
Also that Fire is wild! She'd probably produce the kind of Fireflies and Superflies that I like. :P

Soooo does this cinni girl have rosettes or alien heads or cheerios or what? I like to think of her pattern like little Tetris blocks :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/ryzu8ure.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/a5edu2e8.jpg

EDIT: thank you! The plan for that fire girl is a hypo fire male ill be getting. So ill be hoping for super fires het hypo and fires het hypo. :)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Soooo does this cinni girl have rosettes or alien heads or cheerios or what? I like to think of her pattern like little Tetris blocks :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/23/ryzu8ure.jpg

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And see, this is where the terminology starts to get tricky! And don't try your tricks with me, I'm certain that's your Cinn poss het. Pied girl. xD
I think for all intensive purposes though, we could still call those Rosettes since they still retain the general type of patterning but obviously, they've been effected by some other gene /Coughcough. Pied. Probably "Broken Rosette/Chain" would be an apt title for this particular critter.
Also, I think she's exhibiting the "Washed out" look that I mentioned in the original post. o:

Shes only 50% ph, its a coin toss really... ;p

That's one hell of a coin toss then. I'll be really surprised if she doesn't throw you anything Pied in the future.