Leopard Pied?

Hey all, been eyeballing this snake for awhile now. Seller is saying it is leopard pied but I am not seeing the leopard.....granted I am nowhere near a leopard pied ID expert. I am pretty good at IDing leopards vs normals but throw in the pied gene and you got me. It makes the difference on this being a $500 snake or a $1500 snake. Opinions? Thx!

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Based on other pictures, I wouldn't say a very very low white Leopard Pied would be a completely outrageous claim. :u
Hopefully you'll get more opinions.

x 2. It doesn't really look like a "normal" pied to me. The pattern is awesome either way. If the seller is claiming it's a leopard pied though, I would think he should be able to provide some sort of proof of it's genetics - ie: pics of the parents, etc.

He got the snake as a "possible pied" from a leopard pied pairing....I am not exactly sure what the parents were but there were leopards and pieds produced in the clutch. So he was looking to trade it as a possible leopard. At the time I was willing to take the gamble but he accepted another trade deal. Apparently that trade deal fell thru but now he has this snake advertised as a leopard pied. Before it was a possible leopard pied. So....I was going to do about a $700 trade deal which I thought was fair for a "possible leopard" as I figured if it wasn't I was still getting a male pied but since then I have acquired another male pied and do not need another.....which is why I am trying to get opinions.

Don't know much about the morph but if you look towards the end of the snake there is a patch of white. May just be super low white. Could you ask the guy for some better photos?

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If I'm not mistaken the original leopards came from pieds, not that it means anything just mentioning it.

Is he advertising as leopard het pied or leopard pied?

As far as just leopard, yes I see leopard.

Let me rephrase the question....is this a regular pied or a leopard pied? I know this is a low white pied but is there also leopard? Everything I have read and all research I have done (mostly on Bush League) says most leopard pieds are brighter, have high white (rarely if ever are low/no white) and have more dots/circles. I asked 2 breeders and they said it's just a regular pied but I wanted more input. Again...it's a big gamble should I decide to take it. Thanks!

I am inclined to say it is not a LeopardPied but is just a very low-white Pied

with the guy flip flopping about the genetics, if it was a female I'd go for it, but since you already have a male pied I'd pass.

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Originally Posted by tikigator

Let me rephrase the question....is this a regular pied or a leopard pied? I know this is a low white pied but is there also leopard? Everything I have read and all research I have done (mostly on Bush League) says most leopard pieds are brighter, have high white (rarely if ever are low/no white) and have more dots/circles. I asked 2 breeders and they said it's just a regular pied but I wanted more input. Again...it's a big gamble should I decide to take it. Thanks!

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Ok I see the white towards the end now. I would call it just a pied. The pied gene naturally whacks out patterns so it very well could be the case here.