"White" patterned ball pythons?

I really love light colored ball pythons. My dream snake is something like this: http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.c...xspider12-544f

How can I get that without spider? And most of the Axanthics I see aren't as white as this girl. How do you get that light white/cream with a black pattern?

To me at least that just looks like the normal axanthic color with the white spider sides, color on top is what axanthics look like as babies. As for lightening it up, axanthic + pastel or fire seems to lighten it up and get a little more white. Check out the axanthic firefly, I bet it's what your looking for, not sure how they look as adults though. I got to see some babies in person..... just stunning.

The best/easiest way to keep an axanthic light (outside of making a true ghost, which is hard because it's a double recessive) is to add pastel. Axanthic spiders will darken up, but a true zebra bee (axanthic pastel spider) will hold the black-and-white contrast better. Presumably a killer zebra (super pastel axanthic spider) would do even better. You could probably also add fire or vanilla, etc.

You don't want the spider because of the wobble, I assume? Nothing looks like a spider other than a spider, except maybe the woma. And womas sometimes also have a wobble.

Best bet is a pinstripe. Axanthic pinstripes also do lose their silver color as they age. Adding enchi and pastel to the mix would probably do a lot to keep the brown away. I'm not sure, I haven't see any pastel axanthic pinstripes, let alone pastel/enchi/fire/pinstripes? Are they out there?

Well, the absolute lightest and truest silvery grey and stark black Axanthic I've ever seen is the Lightning Pied. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/axanthic-pied/

So far, even as adults, they are that same pale silvery grey and deep black. Of course, they also carry a pretty good price tag, but mmmmmm are they beautiful. I got to see one in person at my last reptile show, and I like them even more in person.

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That Spider is High White, so It changes the appearance some...

I would suggest not adding Pastel to Axanthic stuff...It's hard for the Axanthic to overcome such a Yellow Morph.

Fire, Vanilla, would be the best genes to add to Axanthics to keep them light!

There have been very few Blast Axanthics made...I have never seen a Blast Enchi Fire Axanthic...

Blonde Blast VPI Axanthic
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...st-Ax_6177.jpg

For comparison here is a Pin VPI Axanthic at about the same size...
http://www.coldbloodedaddiction.com/.../final/003.JPG

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

To me at least that just looks like the normal axanthic color with the white spider sides, color on top is what axanthics look like as babies. As for lightening it up, axanthic + pastel or fire seems to lighten it up and get a little more white. Check out the axanthic firefly, I bet it's what your looking for, not sure how they look as adults though. I got to see some babies in person..... just stunning.

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Oh wow I just looked it up and YES! If they stay that way as adults I would be in heaven.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

The best/easiest way to keep an axanthic light (outside of making a true ghost, which is hard because it's a double recessive) is to add pastel. Axanthic spiders will darken up, but a true zebra bee (axanthic pastel spider) will hold the black-and-white contrast better. Presumably a killer zebra (super pastel axanthic spider) would do even better. You could probably also add fire or vanilla, etc.

You don't want the spider because of the wobble, I assume? Nothing looks like a spider other than a spider, except maybe the woma. And womas sometimes also have a wobble.

Best bet is a pinstripe. Axanthic pinstripes also do lose their silver color as they age. Adding enchi and pastel to the mix would probably do a lot to keep the brown away. I'm not sure, I haven't see any pastel axanthic pinstripes, let alone pastel/enchi/fire/pinstripes? Are they out there?

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Yep I don't want to add any spider due to the wobble. I almost bought a bumblee male when I was shopping for my BP but decided against it last minute. Even though it doesn't effect the snakes quality of life, I don't want to feel bad for them. I'd hate to get one that corkscrews or flips over. I'd feel miserable over it.

And now would ghost give a similiar look? I just want the nice white/cream and the black. Not too picky about the pattern. Is Axanthic the only gene that will give me the white and black I'm seeking? Odd to me how spiders hold the white better than pins. I'm so used to horse genetics that BP genetics are all way over my head currently. Thank you for the help!

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That Spider is High White, so It changes the appearance some...

I would suggest not adding Pastel to Axanthic stuff...It's hard for the Axanthic to overcome such a Yellow Morph.

Fire, Vanilla, would be the best genes to add to Axanthics to keep them light!

There have been very few Blast Axanthics made...I have never seen a Blast Enchi Fire Axanthic...

Blonde Blast VPI Axanthic
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...st-Ax_6177.jpg

For comparison here is a Pin VPI Axanthic at about the same size...
http://www.coldbloodedaddiction.com/.../final/003.JPG

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That's a pretty big color contrast! Thank you for the help and comparisons!

i think a fire axanthic should suit you, i might be producing them in a few years.

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i think a fire axanthic should suit you, i might be producing them in a few years.

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I couldn't find one on the ball python morph list. Do you have a picture example? And a few years would be perfect because that's when I should be reading to start breeding. :)

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...fire-vpi-line/

I am also running VPI line with JKobylka's fires.

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And now would ghost give a similiar look? I just want the nice white/cream and the black. Not too picky about the pattern. Is Axanthic the only gene that will give me the white and black I'm seeking? Odd to me how spiders hold the white better than pins. I'm so used to horse genetics that BP genetics are all way over my head currently.

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No, ghosts are their own thing. Pretty, but not black-and-white like that. But when you combine it with axanthic, it helps keep the brown away. It's called a "true ghost", an axanthic ghost. That's hard to do, because axanthic and ghost are both recessives. Way easier to work a dominant gene like pastel or fire or enchi into an axanthic line.

I can't really think of anything else that's really white-and-black-and-gray like that. I mean, you can also check out the panda pied, though there's still only two in the world, and they're currently running $20,000. (Guys, what does the adult lightening pied look like? It really didn't brown out at all?)

Oh wait: urban camo. Google urban camo ball python. Yeah.