Which BP lines are known to have a wabble?

I am just getting started along the lines of breeding one day, probably not for a few years but I have just heard about the wobble of some lines. I plan on breeding as an introduction into genetics as well as care for others that we share our life with type lessons for my daughter. The breeding projects will not be for profit obviously and we will be breeding with our pets. I see the wobble as a possible neurological disorder related to a mutation that has been maintained in captivity and I would prefer not to have my pets suffer from the disorder. I am posting this thread just to get an idea of current morphs with the wobble so I may avoid selecting one to breed or to possibly trace a line back to in an effort to reproduce the morph without the wobble. Thank you for any information, I greatly appreciate it.

[doh, please disregard 'wabble' and replace with 'wobble']

Anything with the spider gene has the potential to wobble. It's linked to the spider mutation, but doesn't effect their ability to eat, shed, live and thrive. If you don't want to work with snakes that could potentially have the wobble, that's a personal preference.

I've also heard the Woma gene displays a degree of wobble...

Thanks, it is a personal preference and wasn't intended to be judgmental so I hope it didn't come accross that way. I appreciate the information!

Wobble isn't an effect of captive breeding, it isn't fully understood but is thought to be part of the genetic structure of the morph itself.

Wobble really isn't something to be overly concerned with, 9 out if 10 snakes with wobbles live long happy, healthy lives. It is very rare for wobble to be bad enough that it has a negative effect on the animal. Remember ANY time you breed animals there is a chance of producing offspring with issues.

Wobble is mainly thought of when talking about spider BP's and any combo including the spider gene (like bee's). Wobble can also show up in womas.

I have a spider and while he does have a slight wobble from time to time he eats better than any of my BP's and has the best personality.

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Originally Posted by ewaldrep

Thanks, it is a personal preference and wasn't intended to be judgmental so I hope it didn't come accross that way. I appreciate the information!

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No, I didn't take anything like that from your post. I was just stating (not so eloquently as Aaron) that it's not a result of captive breeding that can be selectively bred out of the spider morph. It's just something that's genetically linked to that specific mutation, but doesn't impact their quality of life. In severe cases, it might, but the vast majority of spiders and spider combos live long, healthy lives and I hear many people (myself included) who have their spiders be the best feeders of the collection. Here's a pic -ok, two - of my fatty spider female (just because I like to show her...)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/SAM_0654.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/SAM_0653.jpg

Cool, I was just thinking that the gene for the visual morph may have occured along with a mutation that resulted in the wobble. Some of the vids of wobbles I have seen leave no doubt in my mind that a snake in the wild would not eat and therefore die along with the wobble mutation. I only meant that the wobble is not under environmental pressure for survival since we hand feed them. Right now I am really digging the onyx and axanth lines so I may pick up one of those and perhaps whatever may be hot when the time nears. I think it is not an issue for me because I am not inclined towards the spider or woma morphs. Thanks again!

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Oh, and thanks for sharing the pics, she is pretty and chubby! :banana:

It's an issue of who posts videos of their snakes... People with spiders that have crazy wobble/corkscrew are far more likely to upload a video of their snake going nuts vs someone with a spider that is 99.99% normal. It makes it seam as if it is a much bigger issue than it really is. For the very few that are that bad yes it can be terrible but the reality is that they are the minority.

THanks, I assumed there was a selection bias for the sample of videos and from what I've come across (obviously not peer reviewed reading material) it seems like the wobble may present early and then become less pronounced or go away and others it may not present until later in life.

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THanks, I assumed there was a selection bias for the sample of videos and from what I've come across (obviously not peer reviewed reading material) it seems like the wobble may present early and then become less pronounced or go away and others it may not present until later in life.

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Yes, it can show up or go away at any time. Most display a very slight wobble when they are stressed or excited but the rest of the time they do not.

I still need to update this, but you can see the morphs with a wobble linked to them. http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php