Morph ID??? Please Help

I bought these two to Ball pythons from a girl on craigslist. She was selling them as a pair of pastels. I told her they were not pastels but they look like something is different about them. I am breeding them back together this breeding season. I was told they are not related but they look like they are considering they have the same pattern and coloration. Does anyone have any idea what they are?

Male:
http://picpaste.com/male_4-JZkRp8HL.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_3-Z7e64CZU.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_2-eiiI7dMs.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_1-nXbq0I0G.JPG

Female:
http://picpaste.com/female_3-eut6qYl3.JPG
http://picpaste.com/female_2-3iKeA1pP.JPG
http://picpaste.com/female_1-e4e8MW3M.JPG

Both are normals.

Both are normal.
The discoloration in pigment is usually a sign of lack of nutrients. But sometimes, discoloration is random and just occurs out of no where after a shed because the new skin wasn't developed correctly under the old skin.
I would bet with proper care and feeding, they will look like regular normals.

But the male does have a neat pattern.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Both are normal.
The discoloration in pigment is usually a sign of lack of nutrients. But sometimes, discoloration is random and just occurs out of no where after a shed because the new skin wasn't developed correctly under the old skin.
I would bet with proper care and feeding, they will look like regular normals.

But the male does have a neat pattern.

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Do you think its is worth breeding them together?

That would be completely your call. If you think there is something to them, then go for it! Just make sure you have adequate space/food/time to care for the babies!

Me personally, I wouldn't breed for normals. I would mix in another morph in there and see if the reduced pattern gets passed down.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Both are normal.
The discoloration in pigment is usually a sign of lack of nutrients.

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This looks probable.
There's nothing there that would make me want to breed 2 normals together.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

This looks probable.
There's nothing there that would make me want to breed 2 normals together.

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Even size? If I had a pair of 6 foot normals I'd have to go for at least 1 clutch with em! :D

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Originally Posted by earthdragons737

Do you think its is worth breeding them together?

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If it were me.. no.

They have darker pigmentation and coloration that I prefer to not select for.

But that's me, and me alone. Have fun with your animals, and sometimes breeding just for the sake of the experience is enough of an incentive to give it a go, even once!

I can virtually guarantee you that breeding them together is going to cost you much more $ than what you will be potentially able to sell any offspring for, so if you do it, consider it just money spent for an experience.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

If it were me.. no.

I can virtually guarantee you that breeding them together is going to cost you much more $ than what you will be potentially able to sell any offspring for, so if you do it, consider it just money spent for an experience.

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Why would it cost much more $ to breed the two normals? It cost nothing to breed ball pythons. You have to pay for feeding (either by breeding your own or buying the rats) and heat true. He already owns the two snakes and already has to take care of them. The babies can be sold relatively quick. Heck if he gets 5 eggs he could make back $100. I don't see how breeding them is going to cost so much more money than what the babies can be sold for. Besides the experience of breeding balls and hatching the babies is well worth the minimal amount of money to feed and care for the babies than the extra $$ that you make from selling them.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Why would it cost much more $ to breed the two normals? It cost nothing to breed ball pythons. You have to pay for feeding (either by breeding your own or buying the rats) and heat true. He already owns the two snakes and already has to take care of them. The babies can be sold relatively quick. Heck if he gets 5 eggs he could make back $100. I don't see how breeding them is going to cost so much more money than what the babies can be sold for. Besides the experience of breeding balls and hatching the babies is well worth the minimal amount of money to feed and care for the babies than the extra $$ that you make from selling them.

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He could make back $100 IF he sells them. Just because you breed them doesn't mean they will get sold.

Also it is worth mentioning that the startup costs of breeding are not small. You will need a proper incubator, thermostat, egg box, incubation medium, and housing for the babies. Not to mention food for all those babies.

I am going to say that the price of all of the above is much more than $100.