Orangebelly morphs

So I just won an auction of Ben Siegal's for a 753 gram orangebelly male. I had been thinking about getting one the past couple of day and then I saw this guy so I jumped on it. I have noticed that the only orangebelly morphs anywhere that I could find were orangebelly, OB sentinal, graphite ivory and ultra ivory. WOB only has orangebelly, which when you breed two together you get 50/50 normal and OB instead of ivories. Now does anyone else know of any other morphs out there? Or if say I bred to a pastel or anything really would I be the first?

I saw that auction too but I need females =P

From what I understand it's just a different line of yellowbelly and is fully compatible with all yellowbellies so I would assume any yellowbelly combo would work the same with an orangebelly. I could be wrong haha

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...7-Orange-Belly

orangebelly = yellowbelly. OB x OB = Ivories same as YB

I should have been a little more clear. I understand that OB works just like YB. What I'm asking is if anyone has made a OB pastel, or OB pin, OB mojave, OB spider, etc. And also would they be considered new morphs since OB is it's own gene?

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Originally Posted by Scubaf250

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...7-Orange-Belly

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Thanks for the link but if you look at the thanks for it you will see I was already there lol

Orange Belly is Ben Siegel's own line of yellowbelly. They're all related to his original Graphite Ivory and supposedly have the chance of making unique looking Ivories.

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I don't think it's a separate gene at all. I think it's just a different "line"...

The graphite ivory looks cool and all but what are the chances of producing that? Very slim I think because I believe that has something else going on with it. Like a hidden gene or subtle morph like the Lori, Special, Russo, etc. something could have been present in one or both of those original parents that caused the graphite. Which means, as time goes on, that "something" will be lost with the generations and you'll never know if you have a shot at making something as cool as the graphite, or of you just have a yellow belly with a different name..

Again, I get how OB works just like YB and I know about the graphite ivory and the ultra ivory. My question is has anyone made anything else? If I bred an OB to a pastel would it be the first since OB is it's own gene? And would it be the first since there doesn't seem to be any?

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I don't think it's a separate gene at all. I think it's just a different "line"...

The graphite ivory looks cool and all but what are the chances of producing that? Very slim I think because I believe that has something else going on with it. Like a hidden gene or subtle morph like the Lori, Special, Russo, etc. something could have been present in one or both of those original parents that caused the graphite. Which means, as time goes on, that "something" will be lost with the generations and you'll never know if you have a shot at making something as cool as the graphite, or of you just have a yellow belly with a different name..

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I can see where you are coming from on losing the trait through the generations. But almost everywhere I have found something on OB (there hasn't been much) they claim that they have their own gene, it works and acts like YB but is different some how.

I know what you're saying, but it's one of those things where I'd need more proof. Visual proof.

If you can't find any other OB combo morphs then I guess technically it would be new depending on if any were produced between now and then.

I dont really think it would be accepted as an entirely new morph and/or gene though.. Not until it can be proven that it really does have the potential to produce something different from what a YB can produce. Or if the combos look different enough from the same YB combos.

Honestly I think it will be a wait-and-see kind of thing.

Think about pastels. Lemon, blush, blonde, fade outs, etc..

Until we know for sure wether or not every OB is carrying something cool, like how a platty sibling works, then we won't know how it's going to be classified.

I know Ben has made more than one unique Ivories.


Orangebelly doesn't only act like a yellowbelly. It IS a yellowbelly.
You can breed it to a pastel and say its an Orangebelly pastel, but I'm sure you wouldn't be the first. Ben has been breeding his OBs for years. You would think he would have explored more with the morph other than with each other to make Ivories. And I believe one of the Admins, either Deborah or Robin, has a OB breeder.

Either way, I personally see OB as a YB. So I wouldn't really count OB combos as a newly found morph unless it hasn't been tried with a regular YB.

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