Proof on the Spider gene. OWAL take a look

Ok so here are the end results of every breeding from the start of the Spider x Spider breedings.
Step one was from Spider to Spider with a total of 194 offspring and 153 of them being Spider the rest
being normal which gives us 78% spiders and 22% normals. All were held back from this.

Next is the Spider offspring bred to normals there were a total of 1097 eggs laid that were Spider to normal.
Of those eggs there were 578 were spiders and all the rest were normal which leaves a ratio of 52% spiders and the gender
of them was pretty much split 50/50 as normal. So there is no fatal gene at play and no super spider or anything like that.

There is one thing that did happen that is note worthy. One of the normal female offspring from the original breedings
was bred to a pastel this year and I hatched out a bumble bee. She was a virgin girl so something odd is going on there and
I will replicate the breeding next year to see if it happens again. In the same clutch I had 2 pastels and one spider as well
as 1 normal.

So there you have it. Those are the end results. Let me know what you think.

wow I didn't know your numbers were so extensive, so if im reading it correctly, every single one of the 153 spider offspring from the spider x spider pairing was bred to see if they were homozygous? Also I saw a thread that claimed to produce an all white snake that died after hatching from a spider x spider pairing, you never saw anything like this?

the "normal" making spiders is quite interesting also, few explanations that come to mind right away. (can we get a picture of her for the heck of it?)
simple one would be she is a spider that pattern resembles normalish quailties (im sure you thought of it already),
she could be a paradox, having spider reproductive organs,
she is a spider, but also has a recessive trait that dominants over it, making her look normal
epigenetics is at play and the expression on the spider gene is turned down, or even off.

This is very interesting.. Picture of the 'Normal' Spider please?

Sounds like a good trial but I would like to know.... Out of the spider x spider pairings how many eggs went bad, slugs laid, and how many doa. I feel that info is pertinent also. And with that many spiders produced I would imagine that would explain the huge price drop this year on them lol

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

she is a spider, but also has a recessive trait that dominants over it, making her look normal

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Not possible. Spider is a dominant gene. A recessive gene can't dominate a dominant gene.

H.o.F.R. there were 3 eggs that went bad out of the spider x spider pairings and one slug and there were zero that died soon after birth or in the egg. All the babies that hatched have bred.

As for the requests for pics I will need to get some of mom to post. There were no white snakes at all and yes every single offspring from the spider x spider breedings were kept and bred. I am sure she is some kind of paradox but she shows no sign of spider at all. Normal eyes and pattern. She is a little brighter than average but still well within the spectrum of normal. Like I said I will get pics up as soon as I can take some.

I would also like to see pictures of the bee offspring.

It just seems to me that with those kinds of numbers, strange things are going to happen! Not everything in living creatures is "by the book". We like to think we have a grasp on every possibility, but overall we only know what "should" happen. All of the wild caught morphs had to come from something that went wacky somewhere!

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

I would also like to see pictures of the bee offspring.

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Me too...how odd!?!

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