Crazy patterned normals orrr?

We just had our first clutch hatch from our pair of het. pieds. (We purchased the pair not long before they laid, honestly werent even fully convinced they were het. for pied)..... Out of the 6 eggs (one was a boob and the embryo died early on during incubation) we have 2 beautiful high white piebalds, 1 VERY low white piebald, and 2 normals(?) as you can see in the picture.

If you notice on the piebald that practically looks normal, his pattern close to his tail is very condensed so to speak, and the other two which are normal look the same. They all have lots of pattern that goes fully from one side, across the back, to the other side, and the very condensed pattern with little-to-no breaks, near their bottom half. Are these just great looking normals with incredible patterns or is it possible our het. piebalds were also het. for something else, and we got lucky? Fat chance i'm sure.... but they look incredible, what do i have here?! https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...11985920_o.jpg:confusd:

It has a ring! Nice pattern all right. Could be a good dinker too. Probably a het too


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the one one on the bottom looks like a ringer, so understandably has some weird reduced pattern from the the pied gene... the other two look normal. Congrats on two pieds!:)

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Originally Posted by drukqsb

We just had our first clutch hatch from our pair of het. pieds. (We purchased the pair not long before they laid, honestly werent even fully convinced they were het. for pied)..... Out of the 6 eggs (one was a boob and the embryo died early on during incubation) we have 2 beautiful high white piebalds, 1 VERY low white piebald, and 2 normals(?) as you can see in the picture.

If you notice on the piebald that practically looks normal, his pattern close to his tail is very condensed so to speak, and the other two which are normal look the same. They all have lots of pattern that goes fully from one side, across the back, to the other side, and the very condensed pattern with little-to-no breaks, near their bottom half. Are these just great looking normals with incredible patterns or is it possible our het. piebalds were also het. for something else, and we got lucky? Fat chance i'm sure.... but they look incredible, what do i have here?! https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...11985920_o.jpg:confusd:

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Any incubation temp spikes or anything? It doesn't really look like a low white pied, more like a het pied ringer. Pics of parents?

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I see two pieds and three poss hets, one poss het with a Ringer. That is not a low white pied, the pattern is not pied. Not even for a no white pied.

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Yep, two pieds, two possible het pieds, and one ringer possible het pied. The pattern on the one with the white around the tail is not correct for a pied. I'd say you just have some really nice pieds, and busy patterned possible hets.

Gale

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Any incubation temp spikes or anything? It doesn't really look like a low white pied, more like a het pied ringer. Pics of parents?

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I will get some pics on here of the parents today, and I will also try to get better pictures of the 3 norms. But thank you very much for the help, we are new to ball pythons this year and the eggs were definitely a rough go. I bought the het. pieds because I was convinced she was gravid by her build, but their owner thought he had failed at trying to breed them and she was just overweight. About two weeks later she laid her eggs in a 125 gallon tank. We had no subtrate for the eggs, no proper heat or humidity control, we felt pretty screwed.

So for the first two weeks we did what we could with the eggs in the 125 gallon tank, with heat pads, lights, water, fans, and tried incubating subtrateless, on a grate over a tray of water . They stayed steady at 95-99% Humidity and 87-89 degrees. After the two weeks we acquired a hovabator which we had got the temps. and humidity regulated to the same range, and moved the eggs, where they appeared to stay steady for the rest of incubation.

here are some pictures of the parents. sorry about the poor quality.

Here's daddy, the black edges along his belly are very speckly, or camoflauge like. It is kind of hard to notice in the pictures though.
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And heres the proud mama!! my big girl :)

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Really nice patterns :)

Congrats on proving out the parents! Those pieds are gorgeous!
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