Need Help Identifying Odd Hatchlings.

A friend I've been working with hatched a couple of odd looking babies this summer that do not look normal. The mother appears normal as normal can be. the Sire can be either a pastel or spider that were cycled with the dam during the time of breeding (both of which he sold after several successful locks... yes I kno...:cens0r:). But this was very unexpected. I remember seeing similar looking morphs a while ago in a thread but cant remember what they where being called. Also, they resemble to me the main photo used for the ball python classified section on kingsnake. Anyway here they are. Any Info would be great. Thanks.

First one:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/108/12bp1.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8666/12bp2.jpg

Second one:
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/8176/12bp3.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5382/12bp4.jpg

Kinda look black pastel-ish.
Or granite like.
Maybe?
Can we have pics of mom and dad? Not yours the snakes! :D:D

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Originally Posted by sookieball

Kinda look black pastel-ish.
Or granite like.
Maybe?
Can we have pics of mom and dad? Not yours the snakes! :D:D

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I see where you're coming from but not sold on either. Ill get a pic of the mom asap. The father, not happening. lol.

looks like a dark normal. I agree that pics of the parents would help though. I do like the head marks

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

looks like a dark normal. I agree that pics of the parents would help though. I do like the head marks

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I will post a pic of the mom when I get one and I understand that parent pictures can help conclude what some offspring are. However, I really doubt the picture of the normal I will soon post will explain the unusual appearance displayed by her young. But hey, small chance I could be wrong.

Some one might see something on the mom that maybe explains the baby. Or if you have 2 darker parents it could explain the extremely dark baby

Here's the mom over the eggs a couple months Ago. Best I can do for right now.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9712/bpdam1.jpg

Yeah momma might have influenced the offspring

She has a granite like spekling about her.
Probably not a granite thing but I would definitely hold them back and breed one back to mom or to each other if sexes allow.
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Nothing huh? Thought someone might have a lead for me. guess not.:(

Just curious why can't we see dad? I know he's sold but doesn't the person you got it from have any pics of the fathers?