I dont understand...

If I am totally wrong please be nice about it, as I am not very smart with genetics. But I know that a Pastel+Spider=Bumblebee (right?). I was watching a youtube video and I have no idea about some of this, they had many pastels (pied pastel, albino pastel etc.) and many spiders (albino spiders, etc.). What if someone wanted to take an albino spider and breed it to a pied pastel? Would that result in a Het albino pied bumblebee? Or a normal bumblebee that has a het for albino and pied? Or does it even exist? Once again sorry if all this info is wrong or makes no sense at all.

You could get a BB het Albino Pied.

You would possibly get spiders, pastels, or bumblebees. All babies from that clutch would be het for both albino and pied.

This should help you a bit. I always play around on here to see what the outcome could be of differant combos. OWAL

Alright thanks every one

Understanding what "het" means is the biggest part of understanding pieds and albinos.

there are 3 kinds of morphs.

Recessive: morphs in this category require both parents of the breeding to have the gene in order for their babies to "display" the morph. Sometimes a snake can carry the gene but not show it. This is called heterozygous or het.This would look like a normal but would have the potential to create babies that show the morph if paired with another het. (EX: het albinoxhet albino=albinos, normals het albinos)

Codominant: this is when 2 snakes of the same morph can be bred to create a different looking snake or "super". Codominant snakes can be bred with normals to produce a possibilty of morphs (ex: pastelxpastel=pastels, super pastels and normals)

Dominant: works like codominant but there is no super form. (spiderxspider=normals and spiders)


Hope this isnt too much to digest. I tried to simplify it

Heterozygous = one copy of the gene is present. Examples--het albino, het Russo BEL, Lesser Platinum, Cinnamon.

Homozygous = two copies of the gene are present. Examples--Albino, Piebald, Blue-eyed leucistic, Super Pastel.

Recessive: The gene only changes the animal's appearance if two copies of it are present. (Albino, Piebald)

Co-dominant (or incomplete dominant): The gene changes the animals appearance if one copy is present, but changes it in a different way if two copies are present. (Pastel/Super Pastel, Lesser Platinum/Blue-Eyed Leucistic)

Dominant: The gene changes the animal's appearance if one copy of it is present, and changes it in exactly the same way if two copies are present. (Pinstripe).

Unproven Dominant: New term coined for 'we don't know what's going on, because one copy of the gene changes the animal's appearance, and no animals with two copies appear to exist at all, or they haven't been discovered yet). (Spider)

Of course, things actually do get more complicated than that.

Alleles and complexes: Some genes occur on the same locus. To make this understandable, let's just pretend this means they are DIFFERENT mutations of the SAME gene. Because they are the same gene, each animal can still have only 2 copies of that gene, one from each parent. As a result, if the animal inherits 2 mutant genes--but they're on the same locus (they're different mutations of the same gene), then it will show a modified super form. Examples of complexes: Lesser Platinum, Mojave, Russo, Mystic, etc--all are on the same locus, which is why breeding a mojave to a lesser can produce a BEL, and why breeding a mojave to a mystic can produce a mystic potion.

Another complex is the albino complex--interesting, because albino is recessive. Albino, Toffee, and Candy are all on the same locus, so breeding an albino to a Toffee can produce Toffinos (which look like toffees).

for me it's easier to see as a table

	Heterozygous (1 Copy of the gene)	Homozygous (2 Copies of the gene)
Recessive	No Visible Change	Visible Change
Co-Dominant	Visible Change	Different Visible Change
Dominant	Visible Change	Same Visible Change
Unproven Dominant	Visible Change	????

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Heterozygous = one copy of the gene is present. Examples--het albino, het Russo BEL, Lesser Platinum, Cinnamon.

Homozygous = two copies of the gene are present. Examples--Albino, Piebald, Blue-eyed leucistic, Super Pastel.

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Unproven Dominant: New term coined for 'we don't know what's going on, because one copy of the gene changes the animal's appearance, and no animals with two copies appear to exist at all, or they haven't been discovered yet). (Spider)

Of course, things actually do get more complicated than that.

Alleles and complexes: Some genes occur on the same locus. To make this understandable, let's just pretend this means they are DIFFERENT mutations of the SAME gene. Because they are the same gene, each animal can still have only 2 copies of that gene, one from each parent. As a result, if the animal inherits 2 mutant genes--but they're on the same locus (they're different mutations of the same gene), then it will show a modified super form. Examples of complexes: Lesser Platinum, Mojave, Russo, Mystic, etc--all are on the same locus, which is why breeding a mojave to a lesser can produce a BEL, and why breeding a mojave to a mystic can produce a mystic potion.

Another complex is the albino complex--interesting, because albino is recessive. Albino, Toffee, and Candy are all on the same locus, so breeding an albino to a Toffee can produce Toffinos (which look like toffees).

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Genes come in pairs. It is helpful to specifiy BOTH genes in a gene pair. All gene pairs are either homozygous or heterozygous.

Homozygous = the two genes in a gene pair are the same. Two normal genes, two albino genes, two lesser platinum genes.

Heterozygous = the two genes in a gene pair are NOT the same. A normal gene and an albino gene. A normal gene and a lesser platinum gene. an albino gene and a toffee gene. When someone says there is one gene present, they mean that the other gene is a normal gene.

All genes are either normal genes or mutant genes.

Normal gene = the most common gene in a given gene pair in the wild population.

mutant gene = Not the most common gene in a given gene pair in the wild population.

Unproven dominant = not recessive. :)

I am getting to dislike the term "super" more and more because every year it is getting less exact. It is easier for me to identify the two genes in the gene pair.

In the usual gene locus, you have a list of two genes. Pick one from the list for the first gene, and pick again from the list for the second gene. A two gene list is normal and mutant. The possible pairs are normal and normal, normal and mutant, and mutant and mutant. In a complex, you have a list of three or more genes -- normal, mutant1, mutant2, etc. Pick one for the first gene in the gene pair and pick again for the second gene in the gene pair. No animal can have more than two genes from the list, but different animals can have different genes in the gene pair. This is like making a two scoop ice cream cone. List of flavors is chocolate, strawberry and vanilla. One person can select two scoops of chocolate ice cream, and another person can select one scoop of vanilla and one of strawberry.