What are these?

The title says it all. What do you think about these two? What are they and why do you think so?

#1
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7813/0011t.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7282/0012ea.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7273/0013dd.jpg


#2
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7914/0021s.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/624/0022gx.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8024/0023juj.jpg

What is the sire and dam?

They look like very nice normals :)

I agree with Jerry. Some nice normals you got there. :)

My first instinct is to think one of those super subtle morphs like spector, but I suck at identifying them.

Otherwise, very unusual normals.

Gale

Belly shots?

normies :)

looks like some really nice normals

Some very odd normals. :gj:

I would also go with normals. The second one has some nice flames. If it were a yellowbelly clutch, I'd look at it more closely.

It's really impossible to tell what anything is when it's in its egg skin. The woma-lesser X pastel clutch I recently produced had what looked to be two lessers, and turned out to be a lesser and a lesser-woma possible pastel, lol.

Shedding makes all the difference.

Look like some cool Normals to me :gj: