Woma Vs. Normal

can someone tell me the difference between a Woma Ball Python and a normal ball python. I have seen so many womas that look like spiders the didn't have the white fading up there sides but I have also seen womas that look like normals and normals that look like womas...

I am no morph expert, so I am sure that others can provide more specifics. Womas and Spiders both have the reduced body patterns, crazy head patterns, and generally, green eyes. Womas don' t normally have the high white sides and "wobbles" that Spiders do. Spiders can be used to produce the different bee morphs, while Womas can be used to produce lucys, but I believe that the Woma X Woma offspring have a low survivablity rate. Now, there is also a Hidden Gene Woma, which was produced by NERD, that is used for different morphs. I think that the "normals" that you are referring to are actually the HG Womas, which can resemble Normals, but carry the hidden gene...
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Originally Posted by Vypyrz

I am no morph expert, so I am sure that others can provide more specifics. Womas and Spiders both have the reduced body patterns, crazy head patterns, and generally, green eyes. Womas don' t normally have the high white sides and "wobbles" that Spiders do. Spiders can be used to produce the different bee morphs, while Womas can be used to produce lucys, but I believe that the Woma X Woma offspring have a low survivablity rate. Now, there is also a Hidden Gene Woma, which was produced by NERD, that is used for different morphs. I think that the "normals" that you are referring to are actually the HG Womas, which can resemble Normals, but carry the hidden gene...
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if the survivablity rate is low then that seems that they would be a rare ball, but I seen nice adults going for about $250 to $300 I almost ordered a woma adult from BHB instead of a normal female but I couldn't really tell the difference, so I guess it is just more in the gene and morphs on what you would get out of a woma over the visual then? maybe IDK I am still studying genes and morphs before I ever get into breeding

He means that when you breed a woma to another woma the babies which i believe are called pearls (correct me if im wrong) the pearls are the ones he is saying have low survivability rate.

Interesting, all Womas I have seen have been distinct. I would be able to spot a Woma from a Normal.

I agree womas definately do not look normal.


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Womas do NOT make pearls, Hidden gene womas make pearls.
Womas have no known issues except some ppl claim to have wobbling womas.
Personally I have owned 3 womas and none of them had any wobble at all, so I don't know...

I agree womas look "similar" to spiders, but a woma looks nothing like a normal :confused:

Woma and spider side by side
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Ok yes im sorry your right on the pearls. I have never seen a woma that looks like a normal. Kevin mcurley says that his hidden gene womas normal offspring also have that hidden gene so maybe the snake you saw was listed as a hidden gene woma offspring

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Originally Posted by Jor23dan

Ok yes im sorry your right on the pearls. I have never seen a woma that looks like a normal. Kevin mcurley says that his hidden gene womas normal offspring also have that hidden gene so maybe the snake you saw was listed as a hidden gene woma offspring

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Where did you read this, like to share?

The hidden gene woma is a visual incomplete dominate trait morph and not a hidden gene...

Womas do have the wobble issue, but they seem less prone to it than spiders--stress can bring it out, just as with spiders. Severity seems overall lower than in spiders, so most likely many woma owners never notice. Once you start breeding them, you'll eventually notice. (Took me a couple of years, actually). It makes sense--the genetic influence on the pattern is VERY similar, so it may have a similar cause, and thus similar 'side effects'.

The Woma gene is believed to be true dominant, with one person claiming possession of a super-woma that produces all woma offspring when bred, and looks like a typical woma.

A poor quality woma does look a bit like a good reduced-pattern normal. Good quality womas look like orangish-colored spiders without the white sides.
They don't look much at all like ordinary normals, though. The faded head marking is another good indicator.

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