a lil confused on subtle morphs

okay folks im a little lost on some of the darker morphs and the ones that are very subtle. anywhere i can learn how to tell the difference? the chocolates, mochas, mystics, spectors, lace, opal, and such give me a heck of a time. theres plenty more that i dont get either but thats the short list. lol also I am wondering on the multi gene morphs how to identify certain things. like an ivory pastel, mojave spider pastel, pastel orange dream, and the such. ughhh morphs are awesome but im so lost on some of it. like im terrified to make certain pairings cause im worried i'll misidentify the hatchlings and screw someone out of certain genes they want and paid for. thanks for any and all the help everyone in here offers! bp.net and its patrons have been wonderful to me. ive learned a great deal in the short time ive been on here!

There is no way to answer this in a thread. You need to do searches on each morph and read up on them. Also try to get to shows and see them in person. There is no easier way to do it.

Knowledge is hard but rewarding.

I play a little "quiz" game with myself. On here, when people post pics I try to guess the morph before looking at the caption. I do the same at shows. I still don't do so well with the more subtle morphs, but when I was first getting into bps and couldn't even tell a lesser from a mojave, this really helped me learn. You just have to focus on the snake and not let your peripheral vision pick up the words.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

There is no way to answer this in a thread. You need to do searches on each morph and read up on them. Also try to get to shows and see them in person. There is no easier way to do it.

Knowledge is hard but rewarding.

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ive got 3 local shows withing 2 hrs that i frequent and honestly theres rarely anything there that you dont see all the time. just saw my first sable in person on the 29th at the steele city expo in pa. that was the highlight of the day. I ended up buying it. lol I have john berrys book of designer morphs volume one and its already out dated. I got it within 6 months of it being out and i still refference it but as i said its outdated now. I check out WoBP huge morph list all the time and still just seems to leave me wanting more and they dont really have that great of a description for most of them. not looking for short cuts just solid places to gain knowledge! as I said in the original thread looking for some place to learn these things. Thanks

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Originally Posted by KatStoverReptiles

when people post pics I try to guess the morph before looking at the caption.

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X2.....keeps you sharp.

I feel your pain. I've been working with my own line of chocolates for a few years now and I still struggle with some individuals. A lot of mine have a distinct faded bar across the base of the head but not all. Also they tend to have white pixilation in the center of the lower end of the dark side pattern elements. Dark on the belly is also a good sign. Hard to define but the ratio of dark width to light pattern width is high giving an overall dark appearance. Also there is iridescence. The supers take all of these to the extreme so maybe it would help to think of the regular chocolates as hets that show, some more than others. Here are some supers I hatched last year:

http://snakemorphs.com/images/201107...chocolates.jpg

And then the combos can be confusing, especially new stuff. It helped me to hang on to them and watch them growth. Hey, when in doubt that's just a good excuse to keep everything! Here is what with age I'm sure is a chocolate cinnamon mojave combo:

http://snakemorphs.com/images/201204...onmojave02.jpg

I arrived at this by picking out individual traits. Notice the distinct fade bar across the back of the head along with the extremely wide dark pattern elements and general chocolate color of the chocolate gene. The clear belly even coming up the sides a bit along with the blue eyes I attribute to mojave. The general muted eye mark along with being wider pattern even than her chocolate mojave mother I attribute to cinnamon. Still I guess I'll have to hang on to her and her sister and breed them, just to be sure, lol.

Here is one I'm less sure about. I've been told that just yb can look like this but I'm holding out hope based on the width of the dark pattern with blushing in the middle that there might be chocolate in there too:

http://snakemorphs.com/images/201204...echocolate.jpg

Darn, another keeper female just to be sure. I know it would be comforting if everything where crystal clear but freaky combos you can’t be sure about at least keeps things exciting and to me is better than not trying.

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i still spend a lot of time on there checking out different morphs. I tell you, I still can't pick out a dot, daddy, bengal, tiger, X-treame, washout, or trick out of a line-up.

What I do is I gather pictures from the net, read articles that may include a description of their appearance, use the advance search here on Bp.net to look for more topics about a certain morph, ask people who works on the said morph (you can find alot here in Bp.net), and believe me there's alot here who's very willing to share their knowledge, then study them by myself. There is no reptile show here in the Philippines that's why I do researches for very subtle morph by myself to be familiarize and to know what to look for. :)