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  • 04-22-2012, 04:48 PM
    angel619
    Need help with breeding ball pythons
    Alright so I finally got my 100% het for cinnamon male ball python which I plan to breed with my normal girl who has super nice patterns wondering first what types of babies am I going to get and also how much can I sell some baby cinnamons i already have a rack coming from boaphile plastics which have flexwatt heat tape but was wondering can I keep my male in a 40 gallon and then keep my female in her custom made 5x2x2 cage I am asking because if my female grows bigger than my male then would my female fight my male or possibly eat him or should I keep each of them in a 40 gallon tank
  • 04-22-2012, 04:52 PM
    JaGv
    you probably wont get any cinnamons unless the female is het for cinnamon
  • 04-22-2012, 04:53 PM
    The Serpent Merchant
    There is no such thing as a 100% het cinnamon BP. The cinnamon morph is codominate, not recessive.

    Breeding a cinnamon to a normal will produce:

    Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png
  • 04-22-2012, 05:09 PM
    Zombie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant View Post
    There is no such thing as a 100% het cinnamon BP. The cinnamon morph is codominate, not recessive.

    Breeding a cinnamon to a normal will produce:

    Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png

    X2, it is either a cinnamon or it isn't, no hets. Post a pic and we will be able to let you know if it is cinni or not. Check out the classifieds here and on kingsnake.com and fauna classifieds to get an idea of prices. Make sure when you get into breeding that you are prepared to keep any and all offspring you hatch out as they may not sell or they may not sell right away. The search feature on this site will be your best friend, there is a plethora of great information on here. Just sit down and start reading threads. Good luck to you :)

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  • 04-22-2012, 05:22 PM
    Inarikins
    If you paid for a het cinnamon... you most likely got scammed. It's a cinnamon or it's a normal.

    Keep your snakes in their own enclosures. Two snakes in the same tank (especially a male and a female if the female isn't large enough to be bred safely) just causes stress and sickness.
  • 04-22-2012, 05:24 PM
    travis11
    Het for Cinnamon?? You must mean Cinnamon, Recessive Genes are Hets. Cinnamon is a Co-Dominate Gene. Also, if you are a first time Breeder, which it sounds like you are, i would defly stay away from Hets and just focus on Base Morphs. Its up to you though.
  • 04-22-2012, 05:46 PM
    John1982
    Re: Need help with breeding ball pythons
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by travis11 View Post
    Het for Cinnamon?? You must mean Cinnamon, Recessive Genes are Hets. Cinnamon is a Co-Dominate Gene. Also, if you are a first time Breeder, which it sounds like you are, i would defly stay away from Hets and just focus on Base Morphs. Its up to you though.

    Wouldn't a normal cinnamon be heterozygous while a super cinnamon is homozygous? I think the het stamp is mostly reserved for simple recessive genes(where hets aren't visual) just to keep things as simple as possible since in codominate the heterozygous and homozygous forms are visual. Which makes me wonder, would a spider be heterozygous or homozygous or something else? I have no idea how it works with dominate genes.
  • 04-22-2012, 05:50 PM
    Evenstar
    I know your primary question was regarding breeding but I'm not going to touch that one - it's pretty much already been answered anyhow. But Inarikins is right and snakes should be kept in their own enclosures. Also, a 5x2x2 is HUGE and way too big for an adult BP. Both of your snakes should be in something about the size of that 40gal long tank you mentioned - a 41qt tub has the same size footprint (floor space) as a 40gal tank. This is the perfect size for a male or female BP.

    And yes, snakes will sometimes eat each other......

    http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...eeatssnake.jpg
  • 04-22-2012, 05:59 PM
    TheSnakeEye
    You should have definitely done more research for housing them before you even considered breeding. Not knowing how much you can sell the babies (mind you they'd be normals and cinnys) worries me. Sounds like you're in it for a quick buck. I suggest doing more research so that if you do it for only money, at least you do it correctly.
  • 04-22-2012, 05:59 PM
    The Serpent Merchant
    Re: Need help with breeding ball pythons
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John1982 View Post
    Wouldn't a normal cinnamon be heterozygous while a super cinnamon is homozygous? I think the het stamp is mostly reserved for simple recessive genes(where hets aren't visual) just to keep things as simple as possible since in codominate the heterozygous and homozygous forms are visual. Which makes me wonder, would a spider be heterozygous or homozygous or something else? I have no idea how it works with dominate genes.

    With dominate genes there is no visual difference between the heterozygous and homozygous animal.

    The only way to tell is to breed them, a heterozygous dominate will result in 50% offspring with the dominate trait. The homozygous snake will pass on the dominate trait 100% of the time.
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