What genetics could my snake be hiding?

I have a pastel female who I purchased from The Snake Keeper, which means I have access to her full genetic history. I was poking around on their site today and looked up her records.

One of her parents is a pastel spotnose and the other is a super pastel jungle, which is pretty cool!

Another question...jungle refers to the pattern, right? I'm sort of curious about that, I see a lot of pictures of snakes that look like my pastel but they are more interesting morphs. I think a lot of it is in the patterns! Cool stuff.

Oh, I forgot to include...haha, I was asking for the purpose of potentially breeding her in the future. Wondering if she could be het for spotnose, or how super pastel works genetically (I guess you would need 2 copies of pastel, right?).

Pastel jungle is actually the full name for pastels. We just shorten it.

None of the morphs you listed are recessive so either they are there or they aren't. Only recessive genes can hide under the surface.

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Originally Posted by paperaith

Oh, I forgot to include...haha, I was asking for the purpose of potentially breeding her in the future. Wondering if she could be het for spotnose, or how super pastel works genetically (I guess you would need 2 copies of pastel, right?).

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Super pastel is the homozygous form. So yes you are correct. I consider a super form of a snake to be a 2 gene animal but idk if thats right lol. Spotnose works the same way i believe bc i think ive seen super sponoses.

Super Spotnose is a Powerball.

The likelihood of any hidden gene is minimal at best, if you bought a pastel from a reputable breeder, it is what he said it is.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Spotnose works the same way i believe bc i think ive seen super sponoses.

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Powerball.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Super pastel is the homozygous form. So yes you are correct. I consider a super form of a snake to be a 2 gene animal but idk if thats right lol. Spotnose works the same way i believe bc i think ive seen super sponoses.

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A super pastel has two copies of the pastel mutant gene in the gene pair and is significantly lighter in color than a pastel.

A super usually has two copies of a codominant mutant gene in the gene pair. A super may have two copies of a dominant mutant gene, but dominant mutants seem to be a lot rarer than codominant mutant genes, at least in ball pythons. A super never has two copies of either a recessive mutant gene, like albino or pied, or a normal gene.

What they said. Spotnose and Pastel are both incomplete dominant (called co-dominant among reptile keepers).
There's nothing hidden there...if the animal has the spotnose gene, it's a spotnose. If it has the pastel gene, it's a pastel.
A super-pastel is snake that has 2 copies of the pastel gene, so that ALL of its offspring have to be pastels (because it doesn't have a normal gene to pass to them).

If your snake is a pastel from that pairing, then that's all it is.

Now, if you look into the family tree of that pastel spotnose or super pastel, and discover that some animal in their lineage was heterozygous for something, THEN it might have something hidden in its genome...but the odds are against it.

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Originally Posted by paulh

A super never has two copies of either a recessive mutant gene, like albino or pied.

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How do you figure this?:confused:
The Panda Pied is a Super Black Pastel Pied, A SPOG is a Super Pastel Orange Ghost just to name 2 of the many animals that are a Super in combination with a recessive gene.

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Originally Posted by C&H Exotic Morphs

How do you figure this?:confused:
The Panda Pied is a Super Black Pastel Pied, A SPOG is a Super Pastel Orange Ghost just to name 2 of the many animals that are a Super in combination with a recessive gene.

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I think he means there is no "super" version of a recessive. (though the more I think about it, the visual form is the "super" because you have 2 copies of the gene)

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