Panda Pieds, How to breed for them?

Im unsure on the genetics/morphs involved to get a panda pied, I,ve searched google but could not come up with a clear explanation.

I think thats the next project I would like to start on.

thanks

I think it's double homozygous for both pied and cinnamon/black pastel.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

I think it's double homozygous for both pied and cinnamon/black pastel.

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There both recessive, BUT I heard only Cinny's can make them and that the Death rate is high..

But hey, I don't work with them (I wish i did..lol) And I can only say what i've heard. Am I right? I dun know, but hopefully someone who knows will chime in.

Can you expand on your explanation a little more please, Im still new to figuring out genetics and breeding.

So I should start with a pied python, And breed to a black pastel, then breed back the hets to the pied?

Something like that?

In order to produce the double homozygous both parents must be at least double hets (most people wouldn't call a cinnamon/black pastel a het but it is, they also wouldn't call a super cinnamon/super black pastel homozygous but it is even though the mutation is co-dominant (or incomplete dominant as someone recently argued).

Anyway, you could start breeding a pied to a cinnamon or black pastel. You would need to get lucky enough to produce a pair of cinnamon het pied or black pastel het pied and keep them back. Breeding cinnamon/black pastel het pied to cinnamon/black pastel het pied would give you eggs each with a 1 in 16 chance of hatching the double homozygous.

A panda pied is a super black pastel pied. If you breed a black pastel to a pied you would get normal's and black pastel's 100% het pied. You would need then need to breed sibling black pastel het pied's together and if you hit the odds you would get a panda pied. That's only one way to do it the cheapest way but the longest odds. Hope that helps a bit.

If you really want a panda pied your best chance to get one would be to breed a cinnamon/black pastel pied to a cinnamon/black pastel pied together and you should get a quarter panda pied

If I were to try to produce Panda Pieds this is how i would do it

I would buy 1.1 Black Pastel 100% het Pied and breed them

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It may take a few tries, but the potential is there from the start and 1/16th really isn't that bad of odds (not great either though)

Now if money is an issue you could start with 1.0 Pied (homo) and 0.1 Black pastel and breed them

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You hope that you produce 1.1 Black Pastel 100% pieds. once you have your 1.1 black pastel 100% pieds you can breed them together for a shot at the Panda Pied.

personally I really don't see the draw to panda's, I feel that there are much cooler morphs out there that don't get half the attention that these do... and even with all this attention there has only been 1 produced (at least as far as I know) even if more have been produced there are only a hand full. Either someone is holding back information on them or there is a genetic issue with them. either way I'm not interested.

Super Cinnamon Pieds are also called Panda Pieds.

The panda pied is not a cinnamon. Those ar called cinnamon pieds. The panda pied is a super black pastel pied. Only one has been produced and the odds gods are against you in that project. The only line that produced the panda was from outback. I believe and this is my personal oppinion is that because outbacks black pastel line is the blackest this has something to do with it. Its a project worth dinking with but i wouldnt mortgage the house to get into it.