Pied - **PIC**

http://www.8ballpythons.com/uploads/pied-03310501

-adam

Someday, i keep telling myself... i'l have a piebald or pied as you called it! i cant get over how interesting it is, the solid white on them.. i dont know much about the genetics though.. is there any proven way to get a pied BP or is it a random mutation that is unpredictable and cant be easily recreated?

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

http://www.8ballpythons.com/uploads/pied-03310501

-adam

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Originally Posted by vkahri

is there any proven way to get a pied BP or is it a random mutation that is unpredictable and cant be easily recreated?

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It is very proven and pieds are produced every year by breeders all over the world.

-adam

wow...that's amazing adam.

do you price your pieds based on what percent white they are? Do you try to maximize the whiteness by breeding pieds/hets that phenotypically show a lot of white or who's parents had a lot of white? Is the distribution of white completely random, or does there appear to be some sort of pattern?

Is pied a co-dom gene?

sorry for so many questions...i find pieds very interesting
thanks
zach

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Originally Posted by zachman17

wow...that's amazing adam.

do you price your pieds based on what percent white they are? Do you try to maximize the whiteness by breeding pieds/hets that phenotypically show a lot of white or who's parents had a lot of white? Is the distribution of white completely random, or does there appear to be some sort of pattern?

Is pied a co-dom gene?

sorry for so many questions...i find pieds very interesting
thanks
zach

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Yes, like many other morphs, pieds are definitely priced based on their apprearence.

There is no relation between the amount of white in the parent(s) and the amount of white babies will show ... a 10% white parent can produce a 90% white offspring.

It seems to be random with the exception of the head. Pieds do not have white on their heads (at least that I have ever heard of).

Pieds are recessive.

Hope this helps.

-adam

from my understanding (and correct me if i'm wrong please), morphs result from a mutation in a gene sequence that codes for pigments that give snakes their color...hence resulting in an "atypical" color. if this is the case, and pieds are recessive, why is it that the white color only covers a certain percentage of the snake?
if both genes are mutated, wouldn't one expect to see a completely white snake(leucistic i believe)?
thanks
-zach

Am I the only one who prefers a snake with a more even distribution of white rather than high white? If you want a lot of white, get a leucy! (ok ok, I know they're expensive..)

I love the pictured one, Adam. Pieds will be my first morph project.

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Originally Posted by zachman17

from my understanding (and correct me if i'm wrong please), morphs result from a mutation in a gene sequence that codes for pigments that give snakes their color...hence resulting in an "atypical" color. if this is the case, and pieds are recessive, why is it that the white color only covers a certain percentage of the snake?
if both genes are mutated, wouldn't one expect to see a completely white snake(leucistic i believe)?
thanks
-zach

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Obviously, piebaldism isn't a simple all or none trait. It's actually an autosomal dominant skin disorder in humans (yes, humans can be pied ... and het for pied as well) and has been documented in many genera. The lack of melanocytes in patches of skin on pieds is most likely caused during development of each skin cell when the presence of the homozygous allele(s) (28 alleles in the human condition) allows the cell to code either with melanocytes or without ... leucism works differently, causing all (or at least almost all) skin cells to code without melanocytes. Coincidentally, I have read done some reading on bird mutations where breeders refer to piebaldism and leucism in fancy fowl interchangeably.

-adam

Yes 'pieds' are proven genetic. I believe they are a recesive (sp?) gene.:twocents:

Pied's are recessive. I prefer a fairly even distrubution of white to dark spaces myself as well.