I'm confused about morphs....

how do you know the difference between morphs that are so similar, like a cinnamon or black pastel?obviously when you breed them you can tell sometimes by the babies but looking at the actual snake are there ways to see?

With those 2 it's all about quality lines. Low quality cinnamons will resemble black pastels. A high quality cinny shouldn't look like a black pastel. They do have different color/marking traits.

It really just takes practice, looking at or breeding a lot of them when it comes to morphs that look similar or the subtle morphs that look like normals.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

With those 2 it's all about quality lines. Low quality cinnamons will resemble black pastels. A high quality cinny shouldn't look like a black pastel. They do have different color/marking traits.

It really just takes practice, looking at or breeding a lot of them when it comes to morphs that look similar or the subtle morphs that look like normals.

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+1

There are a lot of suttle differences in the morphs, but it can get super confusing when you mix in low quality examples of the morph. Once you know what to look for it makes it a little easier. Members on this site post some excellent examples of the different morphs which will help you learn key characteristics to look for in them over time. :)

I think cinnamons and black pastels have the possibility to see the difference. I'm not sure about butters and lessers. I do agree with the above, quality examples of each morph shine through and using low quality morphs makes it confusing.

I too have trouble identifying BP and Cinnys.

To add to the confusion, sometimes het reds can be taken for black pastels or cinni's
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a..._1/hetred2.jpg

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Originally Posted by eel588

I think cinnamons and black pastels have the possibility to see the difference. I'm not sure about butters and lessers. I do agree with the above, quality examples of each morph shine through and using low quality morphs makes it confusing.

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butters/lessers are easy. price is the difference. thats it, nothing else. they are different brand names of the same morph.

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

butters/lessers are easy. price is the difference. thats it, nothing else. they are different brand names of the same morph.

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i disagree completely. just look at how they effect other morphs. lesser spiders look completely different from butter spiders. butters have a richer yellow and darker along the back.
also black pastel and cinny can be hard at times especially when crossed together. but usually black pastels are darker when younger and from what ive noticed the pattern seems to be a little more aberrant. cinnies tend to have a a lighter head and a more subtle pattern(when compared to black pastels).
adam jeffery

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

butters/lessers are easy. price is the difference. thats it, nothing else. they are different brand names of the same morph.

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Haha!

With cinnys and black pastels you can tell the difference quick if they are quality lines. In a good quality black the black colors are distinct and the lighter colors are more pronounced as well. But both morphs are real similar in what the outcome is when ya breed them. For example if you breed cinny to cinny the super is the black snake, you can also achieve this by breeding a black to black or a cinny to black. The cinny gene has a weak link in it somewhere that sometimes causes tail kinking so in my oppinion if ya want the super id do it with black to black or cinny to black. Now when ya get into the more subtle morphs like the spotnose, sable, and others like em it gets a little harder cause there are alot of animals that come in from the wild or normals produced in captivity that look alot similar. When dealing with subtle morphs its best to deal with breeders that produce these animals regurlarlly and can be trusted so ya know what your getting. Yellowbellies are another hard one. Although alot of them can be identified by the typical shatter pattern aka checkerboard markings on the belly sides some do not have this at all. I bred an ivory to a normal and to a couple yellowbellies and the babies from the ivory to normal all came out with no shatter pattern. Obviouslly this made the offspring hard to sell but all the offspring are true yellowbellies cause an ivory was used to produce them. Last year i used a male oit of that breeding and bred it back to a yellowbelly and hit the ivory so yes it is confusing to wrap your head around ball genetics