Questions about hets

How do breeders know that a hatchling is het for sure? Could you end up with a bp that is just an overpriced normal?

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Originally Posted by gold217

How do breeders know that a hatchling is het for sure? Could you end up with a bp that is just an overpriced normal?

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Recessive genetics are as predictable as co-dom. Take for instance I bred a spider to an Albino because the Albino is a Homozygous animal every baby she produces will carry at minimum one copy of the albino gene. The only time a "normal" non-gene carrying animal is produced is with het to het breeding ..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Recessive genetics are as predictable as co-dom. Take for instance I bred a spider to an Albino because the Albino is a Homozygous animal every baby she produces will carry at minimum one copy of the albino gene. The only time a "normal" non-gene carrying animal is produced is with het to het breeding ..

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And from a het to het pairing you get possible hets. And the gamble is yours to take.

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Originally Posted by Mft62485

And from a het to het pairing you get possible hets. And the gamble is yours to take.

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Right..and depending on the breeding increases your odds of getting a het like Het to normal gives each animal a 50% chance at being het hence 50% poss het.
66% poss hets come from het to het breeding's because each normal has a 66% chance at being a het.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Right..and depending on the breeding increases your odds of getting a het like Het to normal gives each animal a 50% chance at being het hence 50% poss het.
66% poss hets come from het to het breeding's because each normal has a 66% chance at being a het.

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So can you get the morph you're looking for from breeding a 100% het to a normal? :confused:

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Originally Posted by gold217

So can you get the morph you're looking for from breeding a 100% het to a normal? :confused:

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No, that would give you 50% hets, you at least need 2 hets, a het and a visual, or two visuals.

The only way that breeders know 'For sure' that the hatchlings are definite hets is that one of the parents were homozygous to begin with.

Say someone bred a Lavender albino to a normal. all the babies are 100% hets for lavender albino.

now, someone can breed two of those 100% hets together,some of the babies would be lavender albinos but the others are 66% possible hets. They have a good chance at being an actual het but the fact that you can't tell just by looking at them they would be sold accordingly. They would not be sold as if they are guaranteed hets but they would probably cost more than a simple normal,so yes dealing with hets you could end up with a more expensive normal, thats the gamble of dealing with hets.

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Originally Posted by gold217

So can you get the morph you're looking for from breeding a 100% het to a normal? :confused:

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To actually produce a homozygous recessive (the visual morph) both parents need to have the mutation.

I just hatched my first pieds from a 10 year project starting with 50% chance het males to normals. It helps that even though pied is considered a recessive morph it has co-dominant tendencies with markers seen in some hets. I kept back the 25% chance het girls with the markers and bred them to an unrelated markered possible het male. Shouldn't have taken so long but worth every year to see them finally hatch last week. Interesting that two well markered now proven hets produced all (3) high white pieds. Makes me wonder if the hets that don't show would be more likely to produce low white piebalds.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

To actually produce a homozygous recessive (the visual morph) both parents need to have the mutation.

I just hatched my first pieds from a 10 year project starting with 50% chance het males to normals. It helps that even though pied is considered a recessive morph it has co-dominant tendencies with markers seen in some hets. I kept back the 25% chance het girls with the markers and bred them to an unrelated markered possible het male. Shouldn't have taken so long but worth every year to see them finally hatch last week. Interesting that two well markered now proven hets produced all (3) high white pieds. Makes me wonder if the hets that don't show would be more likely to produce low white piebalds.

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Man o man, you are a very patient person. Glad it all worked out for you. I kind of feel like this with BEL's. I could buy one, but dag gone it, I want one that I produced.

So, now the question, are you keeping them or selling them? To me it would be hard to sell something that took me ten years to create.

I'm giving my sister a pair as long as I hatch a female out of my three remaining clutches. She actually bought the original possible het males I started with back when pieds where $25k I think it was. Sad part is it took me so long not sure a pair now will even cover what the three possible het males cost ten years ago much less any return on investment/interest.