I've gone and confused myself.

Breeding a fire to a lesserbee (lesserxspider) shouldn't hatch any other lesserbees, should it?


Then why does this happen? I'm all sorts of mixed up, and in one way I guess this makes sense.... but in another I've thought myself into a corner.

I'll probably reconsider this later and realize what a dork I'm being, but for now- eek! So confused.

As long as it's not a super form then it can reproduce itself.

So yes in this pairing you can make a lesserbee :)

Ok... now that I thought and thought it over some more it's making sense again. Some days my brain just decides to take a little vacation. :P Thanks. For some weird reason I had it in my head that it couldn't happen that way. Bah, long day at school! haha

Yup, since they are not in a super homogenous form both the Lesser and Spider genes have a 50% chance each of being passed to the offspring.

Yeah we doing lesser to bumblebee and we bred fire to a bumblebee.
The fire X bee doesn't look like she will go but the lesser X bee has nice follicles :please:

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Originally Posted by Misfit

Breeding a fire to a lesserbee (lesserxspider) shouldn't hatch any other lesserbees, should it?


Then why does this happen? I'm all sorts of mixed up, and in one way I guess this makes sense.... but in another I've thought myself into a corner.

I'll probably reconsider this later and realize what a dork I'm being, but for now- eek! So confused.

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the short answer, yes it should lesserbee can make other lesserbees

lesser and spider sit on different loci, when snakes are getting their gene from the parent, they get an allele (morph) from each parent, from each locus. so the lesserbee can give the lesser gene and spider gene, because they sit on different loci.

an example of gene sitting on the same locus would be lesser and mojave, the lesse/xmojave Blue eye'd lucy can only give the lesser or mojave gene, it can't give both because they sit on the same loci and they can only give one allele (morph) from each loci

if your still confused, try this...
http://www.owalreptiles.com/articles/genetics.php

Don't feel bad.. I had the same problem trying to wrap my head around the double codom verses super thing. For a long time, even though I understood that this is the way it works, I simply could not understand why a double codom can reproduce itself but the super form of a single codom can not.

It's just one of those rules of BP genetics.

I had the same problem trying to wrap my head around the double codom verses super thing.

It's all about 50/50's and 100's.

A homozygous parent passes on the het version of the gene 100% of the time.

A heterozygous parent passes on the het version of the gene 50% of the time.

50% of the makeup comes from dad, 50% from mom.

To make a homozygous, you have to inherit the het version from EACH parent.

Yes, you can breed a Lesserbee to a Fire and having a possibility of producing a Lesser Bee.

This same exact thing confused me for ages, but I finally figured out a model that helps me understand what's going on. I know my model is very over-simplified and far from what's really happening, but bear with me.

Think of genes as pairs of things. These pairs are 'sets' of genes. In a lesserbee, for instance, there are technically four genes involved. A 'yeslesser' and 'nolesser' set, and a 'yesspider' and a 'nospider' set. If you were to breed that lesserbee to a normal, the same places on the normal's genome would be occupied by 'nolesser', 'nolesser', 'nospider', and 'nospider'. Each parent has to randomly pass on one piece of each set to its offspring. The normal can only pass on 'no' pieces, but the bumblebee can pass on a yes piece for each set (which would make, when mixed with the normal's genes, a lesserbee), a yes for one and a no for the other (which would make either a lesser or a spider), or two nos (which would make a normal).

I picture each 'geneset' as a little package containing the two copies of each gene. Egg and sperm cells have no complete sets, just one piece to each. When they get together, every set becomes complete. A lesserbee can have lesserbee kids because there are two distinct genesets involved, the lesser one and the spider one. The baby can inhieret the 'yes' piece for both sets, just one, or neither. :-)