Clutch size concerning co-doms
First post ever on this forum!
OK, here's what I'm trying to find out. I'm drawn to the idea of breeding some BP morphs with co-dominant traits. Are there certain co-dominants that are known to produce larger (or smaller) clutches?
Looking forward to hanging around here often. Thanks all!
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I have not heard of any that produce larger or smaller clutches. I will warn you though, there are tons of people producing co-doms. People are able to breed one co-dom male the multiple females to mass produce them. Take this into consideration before producing them. Prices fall drastically each year for this reason. Simple recessive are a little more stable, since it takes longer to produce them. Good luck either way.
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Chris Knowles
First post ever on this forum!
OK, here's what I'm trying to find out. I'm drawn to the idea of breeding some BP morphs with co-dominant traits. Are there certain co-dominants that are known to produce larger (or smaller) clutches?
Looking forward to hanging around here often. Thanks all!
First - welcome to the forum!
I am not aware of morphology determining the size of a clutch. What seems more important is the size and age of the female. If you talk to many of the larger breeders, they'll tell you that they prefer now to let their females get to three years old or older before they first breed them. The females allowed an extra year or two to mature are consistently throwing the larger clutches for them.
The females that they bred at two years old consistently throw smaller clutches. And what's more interesting is that these same females, with more size and age on them, once they are bred young, seem to continue to throw smaller clutches, versus if they were allowed an additional year or two to mature.
Remember that each EGG from a co-dom breeding has a 50% chance (if bred to a normal) of resulting in a normal baby or a co-dom baby. So you could (and I have) get a clutch of nothing but normals.
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rabernet
First - welcome to the forum!
I am not aware of morphology determining the size of a clutch. What seems more important is the size and age of the female. If you talk to many of the larger breeders, they'll tell you that they prefer now to let their females get to three years old or older before they first breed them. The females allowed an extra year or two to mature are consistently throwing the larger clutches for them.
The females that they bred at two years old consistently throw smaller clutches. And what's more interesting is that these same females, with more size and age on them, once they are bred young, seem to continue to throw smaller clutches, versus if they were allowed an additional year or two to mature.
Remember that each EGG from a co-dom breeding has a 50% chance (if bred to a normal) of resulting in a normal baby or a co-dom baby. So you could (and I have) get a clutch of nothing but normals.
Robin, I think it's just a myth to keep people behind in the game.:P I've bred females at 18-20 months with great results. I think size is the important factor when breeding. I've had plenty of females breed at 20-30 months old and have clutch sizes grow year after year. Just have to keep them feeding and feed them as much as they'll eat when they do.
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Yes, I have read a lot about female breeding weight. Some have claimed breeding at 900g. I wasn't even going to consider breeding until at least 2000g, which very well might be in the 3yr range.
And I have also noticed that co-dom prices are falling. I've been working my Punnett squares with different co-doms that are also het for the same recessive trait; ie. Spider het Axanthic X Pastel X Axanthic. Even if I don't get that 1 in 16 winner, I'll hopefully have a grab-bag of hets left over.
And thanks for the welcome!
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Chris Knowles
Yes, I have read a lot about female breeding weight. Some have claimed breeding at 900g. I wasn't even going to consider breeding until at least 2000g, which very well might be in the 3yr range.
And I have also noticed that co-dom prices are falling. I've been working my Punnett squares with different co-doms that are also het for the same recessive trait; ie. Spider het Axanthic X Pastel X Axanthic. Even if I don't get that 1 in 16 winner, I'll hopefully have a grab-bag of hets left over.
And thanks for the welcome!
Hi Chris. You are on to something there. Simple recessive / codom combos are, in my opinion, the way to go. They will hold their value better than codom / codom combos, and still be a lot easier to make than simple recessive / simple recessive combos. I also think that the codom / simple recessive hets would be worth a lot more, and hold their value better than simple recessive hets alone. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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I felt like I was on to something! The only thing is, it is proving to be slightly difficult to find ready made simple recessive/co-doms. I might have to make them...
Re: Clutch size concerning co-doms
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Chris Knowles
I felt like I was on to something! The only thing is, it is proving to be slightly difficult to find ready made simple recessive/co-doms. I might have to make them...
That is an option, and the cheaper way to go. The only problem is that it is time consuming. Adult morph females are fairly expensive too, especially if they are het simple recessive. Your best option is buying almost breedable females and a simple recessive male to breed to them. Females can breed around 1200+ grams, so you may want to look for ones that are near 800 or 1000 grams. Put some weight on them before next breeding season. Make sure the male is at least 700 grams by breeding season to be sure he will go for you. Just something to consider. Good luck.
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I hear alot of people have misconceptions on recessives holding there value compared to co-doms. I actually believe it to be the opposite. When comparing Pastels to Albinos it may seem that the Albino held its value longer than the Pastel. Except for the fact that the Pastel is just a visual Het and the real comparison is the Super Pastel to the Albino. I believe to this day a Super Pastel will sell for more than an Albino. It is also much easier to sell a "visual het" than to sell Hets that appear to be normals.
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Python Dreams
I hear alot of people have misconceptions on recessives holding there value compared to co-doms. I actually believe it to be the opposite. When comparing Pastels to Albinos it may seem that the Albino held its value longer than the Pastel. Except for the fact that the Pastel is just a visual Het and the real comparison is the Super Pastel to the Albino. I believe to this day a Super Pastel will sell for more than an Albino. It is also much easier to sell a "visual het" than to sell Hets that appear to be normals.
You have a point, but at the same time look at het super pastel (pastel) prices now compared to what they were five years ago. People are pretty much giving them away now.
