whats your take on the gargoyle?

i know there's debate on wether or not
black pastel, cinny, her red's
any combo makes the gargoyle.

but first off. what was the first gargoyle produced useing?
why if black pastels, cinnys, and het red's all have a different super,
are they considered(i guess) the same... a red axanthic looks nothing like a super cinny, and a super cinny (i think) looks different from a super black pastel.
the pinch nose thing is on the super cinny but not the black pastel..

well the one i just finished looking at...

so people, do explain....

A link to the "gargoyle" and pertinent information about it might help foster more discussion. ;)

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Originally Posted by sookieball

i know there's debate on wether or not
black pastel, cinny, her red's
any combo makes the gargoyle.

but first off. what was the first gargoyle produced useing?
why if black pastels, cinnys, and het red's all have a different super,
are they considered(i guess) the same... a red axanthic looks nothing like a super cinny, and a super cinny (i think) looks different from a super black pastel.
the pinch nose thing is on the super cinny but not the black pastel..

well the one i just finished looking at...

so people, do explain....

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the gargoyle ball was originally done by amir.
it was a green pastel (aka- lace black back) bred to a black pastel. no het red involved. het red and lace black backs have proven to be compatible and produce the same super. they appear to be two lines of the same morph. ex. lesser,butter.
they are completely different in looks and genetics
everyone calls them gargoyles because their are far to many confusing retarded names out their already and we are running out of ideas for more names for morphs that are basically the same and have the same appearance.

as far as your question about cinnies het reds and black pastels being the same......i have never even heard it mentioned. het reds are completely different in looks and genetics compared to the others. wasnt aware peole were discussing it...lol.
i believe blacks and cinnies to be the same morph from diff. lines. i no longer separate the two and refer to them as black pastels

adam

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Originally Posted by JLC

A link to the "gargoyle" and pertinent information about it might help foster more discussion. ;)

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i lost the link i was reading.... blasted!

thanks adam! im really mad i lost the link that i was reading about this!

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Originally Posted by adamjeffery

the gargoyle ball was originally done by amir.
it was a green pastel (aka- lace black back) bred to a black pastel. no het red involved. het red and lace black backs have proven to be compatible and produce the same super. they appear to be two lines of the same morph. ex. lesser,butter.
they are completely different in looks and genetics
everyone calls them gargoyles because their are far to many confusing retarded names out their already and we are running out of ideas for more names for morphs that are basically the same and have the same appearance.

as far as your question about cinnies het reds and black pastels being the same......i have never even heard it mentioned. het reds are completely different in looks and genetics compared to the others. wasnt aware peole were discussing it...lol.
i believe blacks and cinnies to be the same morph from diff. lines. i no longer separate the two and refer to them as black pastels

adam

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Green Pastel, Lace Black Back, Het Red (I think you can add Brown Backs also) are the same morph. They look alike too. :) They all make the same super and I am not positive but I bet they inter cross. They all will make Gargoyles when crossed with either a Cinny or a Black Pastel. Some people call them differently depending on if its Cinny or Black Pastel to differentiate the two.