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  • 11-30-2010, 02:06 PM
    JoeEllisReptiles
    Is it Codominance or Incomlete Dominance?
    I am having a hard time with the whole Co Dominance or Incomplete Dominance?

    Here is where I am confused. Take an Ivory Ball Python for Example.


    Parents => Offspring

    Ivory X Normal => YB YB YB YB
    YB X YB => Ivory YB YB Normal
    YB X Ivory => YB YB Ivory Ivory

    Now look at Snap Dragon Flowers with Incomplete Dominance

    Parents => Offspring

    White Flower X Red Flower => Pink Pink Pink Pink
    Pink Flower X Pink Flower => White Pink Pink Red
    Pink Flower X White Flower => White White Pink Pink

    It seems to me that most of the Co-dominate Balls are actually Incomplete Dominate. Am I wrong on this? What are your thoughts?

    Joe Ellis
  • 11-30-2010, 04:12 PM
    Alexandra V
    Re: Is it Codominance or Incomlete Dominance?
    To the best of my knowledge, Co-Dominance and Incomplete Dominance are two terms for the same thing :confused: I've even asked my science/bio teacher and she said it's different names for the same thing.
  • 11-30-2010, 05:19 PM
    BAMReptiles
    the real correct term is incomplete dominance, but co-dominant is the same thing, just a different/slang term
  • 11-30-2010, 06:41 PM
    Serpent_Nirvana
    Re: Is it Codominance or Incomlete Dominance?
    That's the way I've always understood it, yeah.

    My understanding of the terms is that incomplete dominance occurs when both alleles are partially expressed, and so you get a kind of "blended" expression of each -- like the pink snapdragons -- while co-dominant alleles are both expressed equally.

    I think of pastels when I think of incomplete dominant. If you figure a "pure" pastel (homozygous pastel, AKA "super") is a bright yellow snake with lots of blushing and shades of purple, and a pure normal ball python (homozygous wild-type) is a black and brown snake, the heterozygous pastel is kind of a mix between the two.

    The best example I know of true co-dominant is in human blood typing. Heterozygous AO, and homozygous AA, are the same -- blood type A (with only the A antigen expressed). Same for heterozygous BO and BB -- only the B is expressed. Heterozygous AB, on the other hand, is blood type AB -- both are expressed.

    I don't know of any examples of (what we suspect would be) true co-dominance in python morphs ... Anybody?

    The other thing that baffles me is what's going on with the BEL complex stuff ... The heterozygous form of a mojave, for example, does not in any way seem to be a "blend" of the homozygous mojave and the homozygous wild-type. :confused: Maybe it's my lack of understanding, or maybe it's just that we oversimplify Mendelian genetics a bit too much ...

    But yeah, as BAMreptiles says, "codom" is generally the accepted slang term -- it's a bit easier to say/type than "incomplete dominant" :rolleyes:
  • 11-30-2010, 07:18 PM
    ed4281
    Re: Is it Codominance or Incomlete Dominance?
    If you where in a genetics class, the correct term would be incomplete dominance.
  • 12-01-2010, 12:42 AM
    TessadasExotics
    Co-dominance and incomplete dominance are two separate deals all together, they are not the same thing. The Ball python herping world has a loose understanding of genetics, it is not 100% accurate.

    Incomplete dominance is like such; Yellow + Blue = Green. When 2 alleles combine together and are represented in a mixed appearance.

    Co-dominance is like; Brown + Black = brown and black striped. When 2 alleles com together and are both visible at the same time.
  • 12-01-2010, 12:54 AM
    BAMReptiles
    well according to my college level bio classes, they are the same thing, just different slangs basically
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