Are These Pied Markers...Yes or No?

I was just looking over the "Normal" Female that I got my from my brother today...and I saw something interesting. When we purchased her, we were told she was Het Pied from Het X Homo pairing...but we didn't mess with it too much because it was just a "first snake" for my brother...but after looking at her I saw some markers (possibly) that makes me think she is Het...any thoughts?

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker3.jpg

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker2.jpg

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker1.jpg

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker4.jpg

These are all pictures of the same spot...just from different angles...the white comes up into the flame really high, and the flame itself almost reaches the middle of her back...thoughts?

Thanks,
B&B

My normal has a couple of those along her sides as well, but I'm pretty sure it's normal? If not someone chip in and tell me I have a het pied too! :P

Beautiful ball :D

You CAN NOT tell a het pied or anything else by a visual marker.

Yes, some hets do have markers, more do not. A lot of just plain normals have the same markers, so there is no way to tell by a marker if you have a het anything. Buy from a trustworthy breeder, or take a wild guess and try to prove it out.

Now, if the person you bought it from is 1000% reliable and can guarantee that one parent was a visual pied, then yes that baby would be a het. However, not every breeder is trustworthy so you have to take that into consideration.

Gale

That's not really a known marking for a Het Pied, they tend to be Tracks on the bottom of the snake along the belly. Most of the time they run along the bottom half of the snake. For instance my male has perfect tracks along his belly, but my female does not. If you know the parents, then you DO have a 100% Het Piebald, which a female is always nice to have!!!

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Originally Posted by Bass&Balls

I was just looking over the "Normal" Female that I got my from my brother today...and I saw something interesting. When we purchased her, we were told she was Het Pied from Het X Homo pairing...but we didn't mess with it too much because it was just a "first snake" for my brother...but after looking at her I saw some markers (possibly) that makes me think she is Het...any thoughts?

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker3.jpg

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker2.jpg

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker1.jpg

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...iedMarker4.jpg

These are all pictures of the same spot...just from different angles...the white comes up into the flame really high, and the flame itself almost reaches the middle of her back...thoughts?

Thanks,
B&B

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Did you pay het pied price? Did you get genetic paperwork with it? If not then more then likely its a normal with a white spot.

What do the "tracks" look like?

wouldnt this be considered a ringer?

that's what i was thinking court :confused:

No that's not really a ringer, ringers are very close to the Vent and are orange in appearance. Here are some pictures of both tracks and ringers.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gra...ringer_off.jpg

Here's a thread on BP.NET about markings, this is a perfect example of tracks in post #29

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post1239292

Edit: Actually just noticed that in the picture of the males pied tracks, you can see he has a great looking ringer near his vent/tail.

Ill have to check out her belly a little closer here in a minute and maybe post some pics...