Curious about... erm, pies? (Piebalds)

First up, I'm still pretty new to BP morphs. If you have a good online morph guide, feel free to slap me silly with it. In fact, I highly suggest it. I wanna know what I can feast my eyes on. Just make sure it includes how to produce them and characteristics. And pictures - the more the better.

Now here's the first question: Can normals be het for the gene(s)? The two normals I got were originally sold to the previous owner as being het for it, but he didn't get the morph they were supposed to produce, but he also didn't breed them together. Now, I know with the ivory morph that yellow bellies (normals with yellow bellies?) show the recessive gene, and I know some corn snakes can show recessive genes, but does the Piebald gene show out?

I'm also curious about any morphs besides normals I can expect from such a breeding without knowing the hets.

Along with any and all info on pies, the two leucistic morphs, and ivories, that about covers it. I'm also curious about prices for most common morphs (normals, pastels, super pastels, mojaves, super mojaves(?)), the pies, both lucies, and ivory BPs. I can't even guess the prices on these guys except for normals and plain ol' pastels. X_X

Normals can be het for genes with no external discernable markers for the gene itself.

How do you know its a het?

Get it from a reliable breeder.

Pied hets can have a marker, which are side belly markers (two dark lines towards the base of the tail).

Without knowing the hets, you could get any recessive morph at all, IF, and I stress IF the animals are BOTH hets for the gene.

You cannot get an Albino Pied from having a Het for Albino and a Het for Pied.

Additionally to Heather's answer

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I know with the ivory morph that yellow bellies (normals with yellow bellies?) show the recessive gene, and I know some corn snakes can show recessive genes, but does the Piebald gene show out?

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YB are not normals they are a morph in their own right maybe a little more subtle but still a morph, which is co-dominant and not recessive.

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Along with any and all info on pies, the two leucistic morphs, and ivories, that about covers it. I'm also curious about prices for most common morphs (normals, pastels, super pastels, mojaves, super mojaves(?)), the pies, both lucies, and ivory BPs. I can't even guess the prices on these guys except for normals and plain ol' pastels. X_X

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go on kingsnake and this will give you a general idea on pricing

Yellowbellies are their own morph, of which the super form is the ivory. So, no a normal with a "yellow belly" isn't always a yellowbelly. In fact, a lot of yellowbellies have white bellies, confused yet ? :confused:

In other words, it takes two yellowbellies to make an ivory, there is no real het involved.

Now as far as markers go, yes some het pieds do have them, but a lot of het pieds don't. Some normals also have the same markers, and they aren't het for anything. :rolleyes:

So, bottom line, if you want to buy a het anything, get it from a reliable breeder who knows exactly what it is, can show you pics of the parents, and may even offer paperwork stating it's het to whatever.

Blue eyed leucies are made by combining two snakes from the platinum pool, which include Mojaves, Lessers, Butters and Phantoms. Most of these snakes, when crossed with any other of these, will produce a blue eyed lucy. I think the exception is crossing lesser and butter, if I remember correctly. The black eyed lucy can only be produced by breeding two fires I'm pretty sure.


Gale

I... think I get it.

I know both my BPs have the dark lines on the sides of their under bellies, though. Perhaps the previous owner didn't breed them with other BPs with the gene. Hmm.

Here is also a good site for prices:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...play.php?f=499

Here is a site that will break down genetics for you and give you more insight on them:
http://www.ballpython.ca/genetics.html

and here is a site that breaks down if they are recessive co-dominant and so on and tells you what to cross to make what morphs... also it has a lot of pictures :)

http://wallflowerherps.weebly.com/ba...caresheet.html

hope this helps :)