What makes a Bp a "Dinker"?

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So I have seen a lot of cool posts latley of people breeding dinkers with another morph, or another dinker and coming out with amazing morphs.
Yet the normals look so.... Normal to me.

So I got to wondering. What makes a Dinker a Dinker? Color? Pattern?
Also pictures would be great explaning why you consider certian Bps you have dinkers.

Thank you!!

It is a color or patter that you find interesting, and try to breed to see if it is genetic.

So In a way it is like a gene that is in the bp's bloodline?. Because If a Line of normals are bred with no morphs in the line. Can a normal still have inhereted a morph gene that is somewhere in their bloodline?

Where do you think all the morphs came from? People find certain "Normals" that they find interesting. Normals can carry a gene of a morph, but it is now called a het. Basically it is a trait that you like, so you breed to find out if it is a genetic trait.

To answer your question a little better, yes. If you have normals, you could potentially create a new morph, it is a slight chance, but is possible.

haha well thank you!
Science was my worst sub in school bleh.

When I think "dinker" I think of two things.

1.) Interesting color/pattern beyond just "normal" looking. These animals are tried to prove out a new gene.

2.) Taking animals with reduced or busy patterns, flames, blushing and try to influence existing morphs. You could also call this selective breeding. I think that many of these "dinkers" could be used to enhance specific morphs. Ex. Taking a fairly reduced pastel to a reduced normal trying to influence and make a nice reduced pastel. Or a nice fire like normal to pastel to try and brighten up the yellowing. The list can go on and on.

Just my .02 on dinkers.

So If my bp is realy bright gold and clean that could pass down to his offspring even if bred to a normal female? Or like you said I could pair him with a pastel and see if it cleans up the patterns?

Is there ever an instance where someone's bp looks normal as can be no blushing, nothing special pattern or color wise that can breed and still produce a new gene it never even showed one bit?

I just find it fasinating that in the wild in Africa there are prob pastels and spiders and other morphs with no 2 specific bps bred. It just happens from nature. :O haha I could be very wrong but I def know there are albinos in the wild :p

Hi,

As far as I know all the base morphs were found in the wild in Africa. :confused:

But yes your light clean BP could definately have an influence on the offspring. :)

It probably will be the main difference between old style morph breeding and the future of the market if it is done right. Instead of just breeding for pastels or spiders people will make a concious choice about which snake in their collection will actively enhance the look they want in the offspring.

If you like reduced spiders or pastels you would obviously try and get the other 50% of the genes from a snake that has that look to increase the chances of producing what you feel to be the best example of that morph.

And you might be able to charge a higher price for what you produce as a side benefit.

But everyone has a different idea on what they think is the perfect example of a morph so there will still be a lot of variation out there. :)

Sticking with spiders I always though what I wanted was extreme reduced pattern to the level of just black "X"'s on the spine and super high white - because I was mainly just thinking of bumblebees and killerbees and that is what I prefer them to look like.

But then someone posted a pic of a busy patterned spider wih distinct alien heads and I loved the look. :cool:

I wouldn't use the animal to make bumblebees personally but as a standalone spider it was great looking. And it might make some gorgeous lesserbees as there would be more pattern to show the colouration. :ninja:

In pastels it is even more open as there are already various lines with different looks. So someone with graziani might look for a normal with good blushing and flames but someone with a nerd line lemon pastel might be more inclined to use a reduced high contrast normal.

So, in terms of dinking, there doesn't need to be any morph genes in the mix to make it a project worth doing - you could simply make outstanding normals because you like the look or because you have an end morph goal in mind but can't find breeding stock with the look you want.

My only "dinking" project is two normal siblings that happened to pop out with linked melty patterns on the side and black backs - which I think would make stunning clowns and lessers.

These are the baby pics of both;

Male;
http://satanswombat.googlepages.com/Raven8.jpg

Female;
http://sites.google.com/site/satanswombat/booger3.jpg

If I can exagerate the joined side pattern and clean up the back I would definately use the best example to try and make better morph babies. :)

Now their dad always seems to throw funky patterned kids so there might be something in there but it's a fairly low chance. :D

I do wish I had held back this guy as well - I miss goo. :tears:

http://www.satanswombat.pwp.blueyond...atternshot.JPG


dr del

Wow :O Those normals are beauties. & For sure "Dinkers" . They have very cool patterns!! And cld def enhance a clown or lesser for sure!

So its not for sure now whether things like reduced patterns are genetic?

Snakes make science so fascinating:D

I plan on getting a Mojave next summer or Christmas time :]]

Couldnt get one cuz im going off to college soon :tears: Darn...

Ty - I like em too, :D

There are genetic reduced and genetic blackbacks out there as far as I know if you want something a little more certain than selective breeding. :D

I don't think mine can be called genetic yet as they do not look like their father or mother ( so def not co-dom or dom anyway ) - but breeding them together might show they are recessive. That's the fun of dinking. :banana: :banana:

But yeah line breeding for a look is a lot more complicated than breeding morphs simply because there could be many genes involved in the look you want, or one or none and it turns out to be incubation related in your founding animals. :rolleyes:

And yes they do make science fun. :banana: :banana:


dr del